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Old 04-26-2012, 02:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So Dio and I got home from the Vets with pretty much no new knowledge. (Go figure). He has hip dysplasia. Is on Cosequin DS with MSM. I wanted to add another supplement because he is getting a little stiff after playing.

I mentioned using fish oul and she said fish oil would be a good idea but didn't recommend a dose. She said go off of he bottles directions.I also brought up the use of Vitamin E and she said it wasn't necessary. From what i've heard...it is.

My 1 year old dog Dio is 53 lbs. What would be a good EPA and DHA on the fishoil?

Also, Vitamin E? I know I need the D-Alpha Type. But how many UI a day would be good without taking it over board? I've heard 100Ui a day per 25lbs. Would this be a good idea?


I want to get him started on this ASAP so any help would be awesome =) Thanks everyone.
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I use Salmon Oil (one source) as opposed to Fish Oil (multiple source) because I want the Omega 3, not Omega 3 and Omega 6. The 6 should never be needed if you are feeding a premium diet, and it can be problematic if it isn't balanced correctly with the 3. I buy human grade gel CAPS from the health store (Natural Factors is a very good brand) never bottled oil. Omega 3 is very sensitive to light and oxygen, so oil just loose in a bottle will lose its potency pretty quickly, plus it has the tendency to turn rancid. I keep the jar of caps in the refrigerator.....Dose is 1000mg per 20 lbs body weight per day (some people use 10 lbs as a rule of thumb, but I've always had good results using the former.) And very important - you must also add 1 400 IU Vit E gel cap - this helps to maximize absorption of the oil, and provides balance.
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I use Salmon Oil (one source) as opposed to Fish Oil (multiple source) because I want the Omega 3, not Omega 3 and Omega 6. The 6 should never be needed if you are feeding a premium diet, and it can be problematic if it isn't balanced correctly with the 3. I buy human grade gel CAPS from the health store (Natural Factors is a very good brand) never bottled oil. Omega 3 is very sensitive to light and oxygen, so oil just loose in a bottle will lose its potency pretty quickly, plus it has the tendency to turn rancid. I keep the jar of caps in the refrigerator.....Dose is 1000mg per 20 lbs body weight per day (some people use 10 lbs as a rule of thumb, but I've always had good results using the former.) And very important - you must also add 1 400 IU Vit E gel cap - this helps to maximize absorption of the oil, and provides balance.
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Darn it. Wish I would of read this sooner. I went and got the Grizzly Salmon Oil as I read great reviews on it. I give him 2 pumps as directed on the bottle. I will have to try the gel caps the next time. Makes good since with the spoiling. I am putting the Grizzly in the fridge though. I am using Innova Large breed puppy right now and has 300Ui of Vitamin E - I know its not nearly as effective in dried kibble but I was worried about too much E. I just started doing 1 400Ui every other day. My pup is only 53 lbs.

I kinda had to wing it since the vet wasn't helpful with dosage.
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I keep my Grizzly Salmon oil in the fridge and I have not had any problem with rancidity. A lot of people really like it. Nordic Naturals also comes in liquid form. The bottle is opaque. You can smell when fish oil goes rancid and it only has a very light odor if not.

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Darn it. Wish I would of read this sooner. I went and got the Grizzly Salmon Oil as I read great reviews on it. I give him 2 pumps as directed on the bottle. I will have to try the gel caps the next time. Makes good since with the spoiling. I am putting the Grizzly in the fridge though. I am using Innova Large breed puppy right now and has 300Ui of Vitamin E - I know its not nearly as effective in dried kibble but I was worried about too much E. I just started doing 1 400Ui every other day. My pup is only 53 lbs.

I kinda had to wing it since the vet wasn't helpful with dosage.
Unfortunately, vets are poor sources of information when it comes to nutrition. You have to go elsewhere........ I know that people love Grizzly - but I stand by my opinion (not originally mine BTW, there are a number of nutrition experts that say the same thing) that oils containing fragile substances like Omega-3 will stay potent longer in a gel cap, rather than in a porous (that's the key) glass or plastic bottle alone. In the meantime, no biggie, you are doing the right thing by keeping it in the fridge. As for the Vit E, see how it goes with your current plan.....and let us know how it's working for you.

Just curious - why is your fellow still on puppy food? I feed raw, but when I was using kibble I never fed a puppy formula past 6 months.
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Newer large breed puppy formulas are a bit lower in protein and calcium than some of the more popular maintanance foods and are labeled AAFCO "all life stages" compared to some of the adult foods such os TOTW which are high in calcium and labled only for "maintenance". I think the days of high protein, high calcium puppy foods are over.
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Unfortunately, vets are poor sources of information when it comes to nutrition. You have to go elsewhere........ I know that people love Grizzly - but I stand by my opinion (not originally mine BTW, there are a number of nutrition experts that say the same thing) that oils containing fragile substances like Omega-3 will stay potent longer in a gel cap, rather than in a porous (that's the key) glass or plastic bottle alone. In the meantime, no biggie, you are doing the right thing by keeping it in the fridge. As for the Vit E, see how it goes with your current plan.....and let us know how it's working for you.

Just curious - why is your fellow still on puppy food? I feed raw, but when I was using kibble I never fed a puppy formula past 6 months.
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OLour orthopedic specialists suggested I leave him on the puppy food for a few extra months. She wants to be sure he is done growing before switching him to an adult food which has more calcium. I'm prob going to switch him when we are almost done with this bag. Probably keep him on innovate large breed because of the extra glucosamine and condroitin in the formula.

What kibble do you guys use/ suggest? My guy gets the runs with a lot. We tried blue buffalo, California naturals, and orijen. Innovate we got the best results. No more icky messes in the grass. What do you guys think about grain free and hip dysplasia?
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OLour orthopedic specialists suggested I leave him on the puppy food for a few extra months. She wants to be sure he is done growing before switching him to an adult food which has more calcium. I'm prob going to switch him when we are almost done with this bag. Probably keep him on innovate large breed because of the extra glucosamine and condroitin in the formula.

What kibble do you guys use/ suggest? My guy gets the runs with a lot. We tried blue buffalo, California naturals, and orijen. Innovate we got the best results. No more icky messes in the grass. What do you guys think about grain free and hip dysplasia?
I hate my phones auto correct-Grrr. Innova Large Breed is what I was trying to say =)
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I keep my Grizzly Salmon oil in the fridge and I have not had any problem with rancidity. A lot of people really like it. Nordic Naturals also comes in liquid form. The bottle is opaque. You can smell when fish oil goes rancid and it only has a very light odor if not.

The Least Fishy Fish Oil Supplements | LIVESTRONG.COM

That was a great article. When I opened the grizzly I smelled it right away (curiosity) and it hardly smelled like anything. So I guess if I wanted to feed capsules I would be breaking them and smelling the food to make sure I wasn't giving him something rancid. I'm going to keep with the grizzly and see how it goes over a period of time. According to the Grizzly website this 16oz should last almost two months which has me mildly concerned. (the article said most go bad in a month). I will just trust my nose on this one.

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I have a 64 oz bottle I have used for several months (2 larger dogs) and I have still not noticed an adverse change. That said, I do plan to order a smaller bottle next time.

I know with good pills stored properly you don't get rancidity but I have certainly taken pills (triple strenght, assaysed and guarantted no fish burps) and gotten fish burps.

I do like that the article gives you insight on evaluating both though.
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