Vitamin E with Fish Oil

[Jmcgreggor]

Originally Posted by jocoyn

I have a 64 oz bottle I have used for several months (2 larger dogs) and I have still not noticed an adverse change. That said, I do plan to order a smaller bottle next time.

I know with good pills stored properly you don't get rancidity but I have certainly taken pills (triple strenght, assaysed and guarantted no fish burps) and gotten fish burps.

I do like that the article gives you insight on evaluating both though.

I guess you can't win either way sometimes lol. I got the 16 oz to try but with the great price of Grizzly (compared to Nordic) I may be putting my other dog on it too. She doesn't have any hip or skin issues but I think it would be a great addition to her Kibble (innova adult).

[ShenzisMom]

I was literally just about to post about this! So, the 'for dummies' version is
1 400 IU Vit E gel cap x1 per day
Dose is 1000mg per 20 lbs body weight per day (so my 60 pound dog would get 3000mg, so 3 pills of 1000mg)

Also, could I use human grade from the drug store?

[Jmcgreggor]

Originally Posted by ShenzisMom

I was literally just about to post about this! So, the 'for dummies' version is
1 400 IU Vit E gel cap x1 per day
Dose is 1000mg per 20 lbs body weight per day (so my 60 pound dog would get 3000mg, so 3 pills of 1000mg)

Also, could I use human grade from the drug store?

My vitamin e is human grade from Costco by natures made. After looking into it I found that you really need to go with the natural vitamin e. D-alpha and not synthetic dl-alpha. I guess dogs absorb the natural better. Right now, my dog is 53 lbs and we have the 400iu. His kibble says it has 300iu but I doubt he's benefiting from much of that. So I'm doing 1 400 every other day. Been doing that for a few days..no upset tummy or loose stools so I'm going to stay at that dose.

[Anja1Blue]

Originally Posted by Jmcgreggor

That was a great article. When I opened the grizzly I smelled it right away (curiosity) and it hardly smelled like anything. So I guess if I wanted to feed capsules I would be breaking them and smelling the food to make sure I wasn't giving him something rancid. I'm going to keep with the grizzly and see how it goes over a period of time. According to the Grizzly website this 16oz should last almost two months which has me mildly concerned. (the article said most go bad in a month). I will just trust my nose on this one.

Thank you!!

You don't open capsules - if they are stored properly they aren't going to go off.
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[jocoyn]

I think the article is saying if you take capsules you should spot check them. I have gotten fish burps from highly purified, and stored in the refrigerator gel caps before. ......... I could not tell until I got the burps they were rancid...... I don't think you would have to do that with every one.

Just because i stored them properly does not mean they did not spend time at the vendor, or warehouse, etc. Vitamins and additives do not get the same level of scrutiny as pharmaceuticals in terms of temperature controlled storage and distribution.

[Jmcgreggor]

Originally Posted by jocoyn

I think the article is saying if you take capsules you should spot check them. I have gotten fish burps from highly purified, and stored in the refrigerator gel caps before. ......... I could not tell until I got the burps they were rancid...... I don't think you would have to do that with every one.

Just because i stored them properly does not mean they did not spend time at the vendor, or warehouse, etc. Vitamins and additives do not get the same level of scrutiny as pharmaceuticals in terms of temperature controlled storage and distribution.

Makes perfect sense. You never know what your going to get because you never 100% know where its coming from anymore. I was actually surprised how non fishy the grizzly was and the color looked really nice. My dog agrees that its mighty tasty too.

[lorihd@comcast.net]

i just saw on the news the other day, vitamin e can be toxic to humans if given too much. better check for dogs

[jocoyn]

Well, Dr Clemmons at U of F was stating dogs with DM should recieve 2000 IU of Vitamin E daily and this is an article on vitamin toxicities in dogs, unfortunately it is a web article.

Fat Soluble Vitamins: Vitamin A, D, E, & K in Dogs

Certainly, I think other issues with overdosing as Vitamin E can impair absorbtion of Vitamins A and K.......everything in balance. I think a lot of folks have used the 400IU formula though. I don't know of any good articles on vitamin requirements in dogs. Even checked the Merck manual online.

[Jmcgreggor]

Originally Posted by jocoyn

Well, Dr Clemmons at U of F was stating dogs with DM should recieve 2000 IU of Vitamin E daily and this is an article on vitamin toxicities in dogs, unfortunately it is a web article.

Fat Soluble Vitamins: Vitamin A, D, E, & K in Dogs

Certainly, I think other issues with overdosing as Vitamin E can impair absorbtion of Vitamins A and K.......everything in balance. I think a lot of folks have used the 400IU formula though. I don't know of any good articles on vitamin requirements in dogs. Even checked the Merck manual online.

Was that article saying 23 ii per lb of dog or per lb of food. It was a little confusing.

[Laney]

Alright, I have been reading through all of these salmon oil threads and I think I understand, but there is so much information (a lot of which is contradicting) so I was hoping for a quick summary of what I should be giving. I just want to make sure my boy stays healthy and I am not going to compromise his well-being by giving too much or too little of something.
My boy just turned 10 months old. He weighs about 60 lbs. I bought Grizzly Salmon Oil and I am following the instructions on the bottle of how much to give him. I believe its one pump per 10 lbs twice a day (I have also found a lot of different dosage suggestions and I want to make sure that this is the best for him). I also bought vitamin E capsules (d-alpha type) and I give him one every other day. I want to make sure this is enough since he is getting salmon oil every day.
Would love ANY suggestions, especially from experienced GSD owners.
Thank you in advance.