HT or PT?

amjrchamberlain · 04-15-2009, 12:21 PM

I'm seeking clarification.

HT should come first, right, because the PT supersedes it as a title designation?

I realize that the tests aren't required to start trialing, but because we are at a very novice level with our herding knowledge, I want to work Katie through each test before trialing.

TIA!

mspiker03 · 04-15-2009, 12:23 PM

HT is first, correct. (Herding Tested)
PT comes next (Pre Trial)

JenM66 · 04-15-2009, 03:21 PM

Gracie's trainer skipped over the HT and went right to the PT. She felt the HT is what we were doing in training and why just let her run willie-nillie with the sheep. Do the PT which has a stop and penning the sheep in it.

Whatever you choose HAVE FUN!!!! It's addicting!!!!!

mspiker03 · 04-15-2009, 05:13 PM

Jen....why does your trainer think that the HT is running willie-nillie with the sheep? I'm just curious.

We did the HT ages ago, and from what I remember it calls for the dog/sheep to be under control as you move the sheep between cones. You also have to demonstrate a stop (at the beginning and end of the run) and a recall. I'm glad we did the HT first - more practice for the humans in a trial setting!!! I was so nervous during the HT (even though we had done the course so many times and were working on the PT already) and I know Leyna picked up on that. I'm not saying that I disagree with skipping the HT - it depends on the dog, humans (esp the humans in our case!), and trial dates (how long you have to train before a trial comes up).

Here is some info on the HT and PT that I found...

http://www.stockdog.com/courses/akctest.htm

JenM66 · 04-16-2009, 10:29 AM

She just felt that Gracie had already progressed ot the point of the PT in training and said I didn't need to waste my time or money on the HT. She felt the PT was much more organized than an HT. Just her opinion though. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just glad we went straight to the PT as we discovered Gracie's back problem and she's had to sit out herding since October. Hopefully we'll be cleared to go back soon - and if not, then we still have 2 nice green ribbons with sheep on them

amjrchamberlain · 04-16-2009, 11:40 AM

Neat link! Thanks!

mspiker03 · 04-16-2009, 12:01 PM

Our ribbons don't have sheep on them....

You know, I can see why, if you are an experienced handler that you might want to skip the HT. But then again, one of the trainers (not our trainer though, but is a herding judge/breeder) at our facility took one of her dogs through the HT when we did ours. So, it probably depends on who you train with.

We had to take a long break as well (between the HT and PT)...and the dogs seemed to pick right back up (it had to have been over 6 months that we weren't training). Humans on the other hand....needed a refresher!

04-15-2009, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
amjrchamberlain Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,068	HT or PT? I'm seeking clarification. HT should come first, right, because the PT supersedes it as a title designation? I realize that the tests aren't required to start trialing, but because we are at a very novice level with our herding knowledge, I want to work Katie through each test before trialing. TIA! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Angela

04-15-2009, 12:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
mspiker03 Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So-Cal/Nor-Cal Posts: 2,420	Re: HT or PT? HT is first, correct. (Herding Tested) PT comes next (Pre Trial) __________________ Levi vom Grunenfeld, CGC, HT, PT, HSAs, AHBA titles: RLFI (Ranch Large Flock), HTDI (Herding Trial Dog), HRDI (Herding Ranch Dog) Leyna vom Grunenfeld, HT, PT, HSAs Visit us at http://www.dogster.com/?435734

04-15-2009, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
JenM66 Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,939	Re: HT or PT? Gracie's trainer skipped over the HT and went right to the PT. She felt the HT is what we were doing in training and why just let her run willie-nillie with the sheep. Do the PT which has a stop and penning the sheep in it. Whatever you choose HAVE FUN!!!! It's addicting!!!!! __________________ Jen, proudly owned by Gracie (1/18/06), CGC, TD, TT, PThttp://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...%202/sheep.gif

04-15-2009, 05:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
mspiker03 Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So-Cal/Nor-Cal Posts: 2,420	Re: HT or PT? Jen....why does your trainer think that the HT is running willie-nillie with the sheep? I'm just curious. We did the HT ages ago, and from what I remember it calls for the dog/sheep to be under control as you move the sheep between cones. You also have to demonstrate a stop (at the beginning and end of the run) and a recall. I'm glad we did the HT first - more practice for the humans in a trial setting!!! I was so nervous during the HT (even though we had done the course so many times and were working on the PT already) and I know Leyna picked up on that. I'm not saying that I disagree with skipping the HT - it depends on the dog, humans (esp the humans in our case!), and trial dates (how long you have to train before a trial comes up). Here is some info on the HT and PT that I found... http://www.stockdog.com/courses/akctest.htm __________________ Levi vom Grunenfeld, CGC, HT, PT, HSAs, AHBA titles: RLFI (Ranch Large Flock), HTDI (Herding Trial Dog), HRDI (Herding Ranch Dog) Leyna vom Grunenfeld, HT, PT, HSAs Visit us at http://www.dogster.com/?435734

04-16-2009, 10:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
JenM66 Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,939	Re: HT or PT? She just felt that Gracie had already progressed ot the point of the PT in training and said I didn't need to waste my time or money on the HT. She felt the PT was much more organized than an HT. Just her opinion though. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just glad we went straight to the PT as we discovered Gracie's back problem and she's had to sit out herding since October. Hopefully we'll be cleared to go back soon - and if not, then we still have 2 nice green ribbons with sheep on them __________________ Jen, proudly owned by Gracie (1/18/06), CGC, TD, TT, PThttp://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...%202/sheep.gif

04-16-2009, 11:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
amjrchamberlain Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,068	Re: HT or PT? Neat link! Thanks! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Angela

04-16-2009, 12:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
mspiker03 Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So-Cal/Nor-Cal Posts: 2,420	Re: HT or PT? Our ribbons don't have sheep on them.... You know, I can see why, if you are an experienced handler that you might want to skip the HT. But then again, one of the trainers (not our trainer though, but is a herding judge/breeder) at our facility took one of her dogs through the HT when we did ours. So, it probably depends on who you train with. We had to take a long break as well (between the HT and PT)...and the dogs seemed to pick right back up (it had to have been over 6 months that we weren't training). Humans on the other hand....needed a refresher! __________________ Levi vom Grunenfeld, CGC, HT, PT, HSAs, AHBA titles: RLFI (Ranch Large Flock), HTDI (Herding Trial Dog), HRDI (Herding Ranch Dog) Leyna vom Grunenfeld, HT, PT, HSAs Visit us at http://www.dogster.com/?435734

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