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OFA will do Preliminary evaluations prior to 2 years....I often do them at 12 - 16 months and use the x-rays to get certified in Germany if OFA Good and Normal due to requirements for getting a German breed survey. I think 4 months is the youngest they will evaluate....Prelims are only read by one vet, not three

Not sure of what changes happen between 8 mo and 1 year....the balls, or femoral heads, look nice and round and well covered at the top, can't quite decide what to think on the socket formation on one side, and the position is not real straight. BUT!!!!! BUT - I would have your vet submit these to OFA for evaluation for sure!!!! I would NOT monkey around with any surgery or treatment because they do NOT LOOK BAD ENOUGH in my mind to intervene.


I think it is $35 or 45 now to submit to OFA. Please do that and let us know the results, prelims are a quick turn around.....

all this --- don't get snoookered into unnecessary procedures -- submit for a prelim evaluation.

I do many of my working dog prospects at 8 to 10 months so that when a dept shows interest I already have the first hurdle taken care of and can recommend a dog with confidence.

By the time the dog leaves he may be a year and a bit and they will have them redone by their authorized dept vet.

the popping sound when the vet is testing for laxity is the same sound you get when you crack your knuckles . Little pockets of gases as part of the joint lubricating synovial fluid . https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...the-sound-when

can you provide a little video

might be in the hock , might be in the knee -- hips look pretty good to me though

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Have you or your vet thoroughly examined the paw and paw pad? I know another dog who broke a toe playing in her yard....

Have had some nasty pad cuts over the years, too. My girl had to have a bunch of stitches and she was in bandages and boots for weeks when she sliced a paw pad really deep.
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Any bunny hopping? My 8 month old just started doing that when she's jogging and now I'm super concerned. Let us know how it all goes. Good luck king!
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Have you or your vet thoroughly examined the paw and paw pad? I know another dog who broke a toe playing in her yard....

Have had some nasty pad cuts over the years, too. My girl had to have a bunch of stitches and she was in bandages and boots for weeks when she sliced a paw pad really deep.
good idea . I had a dog who had a broken toe digit -- it healed , but because the toe is in constant use it took some time.
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video of King walking



Here is a video of how he walks. you may not notice it but it is clearly there in real life. His right leg reaches the end and then looses with a twist. As of late King's hips have also been clicking alot, only the right one too I believe. especially when he sits. I am very concerned and my vet isn't very helpful so any information is helpful. thanks !
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deducing from your forum name and the vet clinic on the x ray plates I know your location, old stomping ground for me.
I can recommend another vet in the Whitby area . The positioning on those plates isn't great .

Are the bones of the thigh or femur symmetrical? Even in length and in density?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ofa+g...Ma4bQTgCNYM%3A

the dog is very thin. Those hip bones shouldn't be that prominent. When he bends to pick something up the bones can be seen right behind the shoulder blades.

Maybe feed better and see what happens.

contact breeder.

conformation provides the mechanics of motion. You can't superimpose some image of an ideal that can't happen because of the limitations of structure.

In any case I would send the plates to OFA for a preliminary report.

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I can't see a significant limp or any lameness in the video, and the hips look like they'd go at least ofa good to me. I agree that the dog needs some weight. Are you sure it's a limp and not just a loose gait?
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there is the ever so slight pause in the air of the right rear leg.

what I see is a WEAK dog . He looks like someone getting back on to their feet after the flu.

you have to deal with the limitations of the conformation. He isn't going to be a strong driving rear propulsion.

the dog can't get his rear feet under to the centre of the body . The croup is short and steep, can't open up.

a dog with good conformation can run like an athlete with proper foot gear. This guy will run like a lady in high heels.

once again the importance of functional conformation.

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I do agree with Carmen here. If there are no skeletal defects or injury, I'd attribute this to his structural limitations. I'd put more muscle and some weight on him and try and strengthen his rear some more, especially knowing that his hips are in good shape now.
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This dog walks exactly like my swiss shepherd (now a year old). She always had an awkward walk since the day I got her.

If it helps you, I'll tell you our story a bit:

She is also thin and doesn't have big muscles on her rear end, i can hear her hip sometimes. Recently she has shown more obvious signs of pain (most telling was starting to sway unusually and then sitting down on a walk, but also more bunny hopping). She doesn't obviously limp, but just walk awkward and kind of stiff and she is slower compared to other dogs. Always has been.

She was xrayed and 6 months and her hips looked very good. Just like yours. Getting her back to the vet room after xray the vet even commented that she'd be very surprised if that dog had hip displaysia. But her right hip popped as well when the vet (a very good specialist) tried to pop them out of the socket. She said it was a very light case of laxity and nothing - except supplements and exercise - should be done for now.

Now she was scheduled to be x-rayed again for her 1 year check up, but the specialist wasn't available so we took her to another specialist who is like "the best" in the country. He looked at her and said it doesn't look like it's the hips but she seems to be thin and should gain a bit of weight. Muscle too, if possible. We are trying that now, but it's a pain cause she is such a picky eater. He also said sometimes the problem might stem from another place/limp but effect the rear end.

He suggested doing a CT Scan and that's what we are scheduled to do at the end of this month. Depending on where you live it might be a too pricey option for you. Here it's relatively cheap (still a bit pricey but won't cost an arm and a leg if it's only one time).

The reason he suggested a CT Scan is because he suspects
- it might be pano
- it might be a metabolic disease (he commented on her loosing lots of fur and said it's unnormal - though in my opinion it looks to be the normal shepherd amount)

I kind of can't believe it's not the hip, because that seems the origin of her discomfort. But at the same time I always thought it was weird that her mild case of hip displaysia could be the cause of problems at under 1 year of age. I always read about dogs who have mild hip displaysia and never show any signs until they're old.

If you're interested I can tell you the outcome. Maybe they have the same or a similar condition. The walk looks pretty much identical.

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