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#1 ·
Hi,
I'm new to this forum, thanks for having me. Has anyone successfuly treated MRSP. Rocco is 11.5 years old and has been fighting this for 3 months.

I can't find the right regime or shampoo for him. I've been using 4% chlorohexidine washes and vetericyn VF. Antibiotics are out as he's resistant to almost everyone. Right now I'm bathing him 3 times a week with 4% chloro. and spraying him with vetericyn in between. When he gets much better, he seems to outbreak again. The lesions are on all different parts of his body.

He uses the trizchlor and sogeval shampoo.

Thanks!
Frank
 
#2 ·
Hi frank and Welcome!

So sorry for Rocco!

Here are 3 "natural" items you may want to consider for MRSA/MRSP

Manuka Honey: **"While Manuka honey is fairly widely available, it is considered that only that which carries the UMF® registered trademark should be chosen if the intended use is for therapeutic purposes, and the majority of recent medical trial have predominantly used manuka honey with a UMF strength of 10 or more." 15 or more is better. Used as a topical for MRSA, hot spots, and infectious cuts or abrasions. Wedderspoon:
https://www.amazon.com/Wedderspoon-...1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1423836512&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-9


A study from the University of Whales institute, Cardiff, has found that manuka honey ( a derivative of the flowering New Zealand manuka bush ) may fight antibiotic-resistant superbugs, including MRSA.

"Manuka honey has long been used by holistic medicine for its antibacterial properties," says licensed naturopathic doctor Cathy Wong, "and this study is evidence that it actually works."

The U.K.'s National Health Service has added the honey to its lists of approved wound care products, and a hospital in New Zealand has successfully prevented the spread of MRSA in hospitals by using manuka dressings on infected patients."

Manuka Honey: From the examiner.com: “According to an article in the February 2010 magazine Body + Soul, Manuka honey robs the staph bacteria of proteins needed to grow and thrive. MRSA is a strain of staph that is highly resistant to antibiotics and is a major cause of infections in hospitals.


Put on to wound 2-3 times daily. It is sticky so you will need to cover it.



Bentonite Clay: : In a study from Arizona State University, bentonite clay was found to be highly effective at killing MRSA as well as Salmonella, E.Coli and others. What is promising as research continues in this area is that depending on the method in which the clay kills the infection, it may not be possible for the MRSA or other bacteria to develop a resistance to it as it does with antibiotics.



I have found the "California Earth Mineral Company to have quality products:

External: Terrapack Topical Powder (to make a paste): California Earth Minerals Terrapak 4 lbs Powder

Internal: Terramin Edible Minerals: https://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-...keywords=terramin+bentonite+clay+1+lb.+powder




Good luck!
Moms:)
 
#13 ·
My daughter has MRSA. Manuka Honey, UMF 15+, was recommended by her infectious disease doctor. She said she's seen it cure things that nothing else would touch.

I also directly contacted the researcher in Australia. It has to be 15 or higher.

I would not use "manuka" oil. That is tea tree oil and you can NOT put it directly on a dog. It's toxic. You need to mix it with a carrier oil a the very least.

You can order shampoo with tea tree oil in it.

Also the infectious disease spec. had my daughter putting an ointment abx up her nose. Colonies will live there. Perfect environment for them. Talk to your vet about a spray or ointment for yoru dog's nose.
 
#6 ·
MRSP is the dog version of MRSA.

Has it been cultured to see what antibiotics (if any) are effective against it? With any severe staph, in rescue we've had to do at least full month of antibiotics AND every-other-day chlorhex baths for that long, or longer. It's a long slow process.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I wonder if the canine MRSP is zoonotic.
That's a really good question. From what I've read, there is a small zoonotic possibility, but the risk is lower for people from this one compared to MRSA. This document is very helpful:
http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/files/2008/04/JSW-MA3-MRSP-Owner.pdf

With any major staph infection in a dog (even non-MR), our vet worries about zoonotic possibility. When we had young kids in the foster home of the dog who had the worst staph skin staph infection we've ever seen, the vet recommended some precautions: bathe the dog outside with the hose, not in the shower; separate the dog's living area from the part of the house where the kids spend most of their time, etc. I think the foster mom was even washing her hands in chlorhex shampoo after handling the dog until we it was all under control. She also was wiping his face and ears daily with chlorhex wipes (KEPT WELL AWAY FROM HIS EYES!!!!), as he had infection there too.

I also just remembered we once had one very old dog in rescue with MRSP in her ears (chronic, recurring ear infections). We took her in for "fospice"--she was ancient. Over several months, we figured out she had a food allergy that made her susceptible to opportunistic germs when her system got inflamed. After we cultured the recurring ear infection, identified an appropriate antibiotic that worked, knocked the infection out finally, and got her on an suitable diet (fish and sweet potato LID)....she was cured. She was in such bad shape that we had only expected her to live a short time....she had a different plan and turned out to be an Energizer bunny that kept on ticking quite a long time, once she got healthy.

OP, you might consider messaging Carmspack for advice about getting your dog's immune system stronger, while you combat the active infection. Everything I've read (and my experience with rescue dogs with major skin infections) suggests there's an underlying problem that weakens the dog and allows the staph to invade the skin. Sometimes, it's a long-term, low-grade food allergy that's trashing the immune system; sometimes it's stress from something in the environment (for us in rescue, that's starvation, being stray, abusive owners....all the horrors that lead dogs into rescue...for an owned pet dog, it might be something more benign like a move, being boarded, etc.). There's likely something underlying this. If my guess is right, it's not just a matter of treating the infection with your vet (which absolutely has to be done!!!!), but figuring out the source of systemic stress that allowed it in (and maybe keeps allowing it in, given the recurring lesions you are seeing).
 
#9 ·
Slightly off-topic, but speaking of zoonotic, I used one of my pugs years ago as a therapy dog in local nursing homes. He was taught "leave it", but somehow he came in contact with c. difficult - twice! Very contagious to us nurses, and alcohol hand sanitizer is not effective. Only soap and water. My dog was put on the usual meds we give people for c. diff. - flagyl. Ringworm is another nasty fungal infection our dogs can share with us.
 
#10 ·
we cultured it and the derm vet said zenquin is the only anibiotic that may work. we are trying to cure it naturally, but I have yet to hear someone who has success with that. Especially a 11.5 year old dog. Please legt4 me know if you can think of anything else. thx
 
#11 ·
Just went through this with my dog after knee surgery. He tore out his stitches and they cultured it before they stitched him back up and it was positive for MRSP.
Culture came back it would respond to Baytril so we did four weeks. I think what saved my dog from getting a full blown infection was the Veterycin Gel I used on the open wound in between when he tore the stitches and had then redone.

Surgeon said it IS zoonotic. Regular vet said it's everywhere. When I tell you I sterilized my house...believe me, you could have performed surgery in here. If an infection had gotten deep into his knee repair it would have been disastrous. Normally I would do the natural route but I wasn't messing around with this.

From what I read scouring the internet, MRSP to a dog is what MRSA is to a human, but MRSP to a human is not as bad as it would be for a dog, and it's harder for us to catch.

I still sprayed disinfectant every day for four weeks. Washed my hands every time I came in contact with my dog (my hands were raw!).
Good luck! Are you going to do the zenquin?
 
#14 ·
i think baytril will work as well. how long ago did this happen to your dog? i'm assuming it never came back. i'm pretty sure he got it from the vet hospital he visited, the dog park, or this water therapy place he went to briefly. if it doesn't cure up naturally in 1 month, i'm going to put him on it. he never had one skin issue in 11 years!
 
#16 ·
It was the end of March this happened. It cleared up bc they operated on his other knee a few weeks later. No problems.

I did spray the heck out of his second surgery site with Vetericyn Gel, just to be safe.

Good luck!
 
#18 ·
You really sound familiar with a similar situation I have with a 5 1/2 year old shepherd. About 10 months ago she got a puncture wound between her paw and knee that just would not heal. Our vet immediately put her on antibiotics. Still no result. Localized golf ball size swelling and masses began showing up. After 2 exploratory surgeries, finding nothing and full recovery after each the wounds would open back up. Finally referred to a specialist for MRI they thought they found the source. Another surgery and another return of non healing wound. Each time the previous wounds would open back up as well. This time all looked good so she was taken off antibiotics. Another golf ball sized mass on the incision showed up within 2 weeks. Another surgery to remove it but this time she was not currently taking the antibiotics and the lab work showed MSRP. Apparently all the lab work prior was giving a false negative due to the current antibiotics. We left the wound open this time and I have been packing it and all the previous incisions and the original wound with Mupiricin ointment 2% 3 times a day with full bandage wrap. This with Chloramphenicol 1mg, 1 1/2 tablets 3 times a day seemed to be working. An ear infection showed up in one ear...smells like yeast infection...and has now spread to both ears. Daily cleaning and Otic suspension have not helped it much. Now down to 3 wounds/incisions that continue to open after appearing to have healed...they seem to rotate...one closes and looks good, another opens back up. We are going back to specialist tomorrow and, after reading your comments, I'm going to request the yeast infection be cultured and another antibiotic prescribed for it. This poor girl has been through a horrible year. The list of food and environmental allergies she has is longer than what she is not allergic to. We remain determined to beat this. The specialist has mentioned possible amputation of the leg...I just find it hard to believe that is the only solution. Natural meds like Manuka honey and bentonite clay are in the back of my mind and next up if indeed amputation comes up again. I just wanted to thank you and see if you had any input at all on our fight.
 
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