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Old 06-11-2014, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default GSD has dry itchy spots?

So we just got a 6 year old white GSD from owners who couldn't care for her anymore. Her name is diamond . When we got her her owners said she had a food allergy to corn based food, and she had hot spots around her hind legs and bum. So we bought her a chicken grain free food, all natural, and now dry patches are appearing . One on her body and another on her back leg , and one on her front leg. They are about the size of a quarter. They look like scabs, we are thinking of buying her salmon food and seeing if the spots go away. If it's not from the food ( not good allergies) what could it be? How to prevent and how to heal? Please help!!


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Old 06-12-2014, 12:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Are the quarter sized areas moist or dry?
Rudy got hot spots which were about that size on his rear end above his tail. I think they were caused by a shampoo. They started out dry, but got kinda weepy. We used half strength apple cider vinegar sprayed on them twice a day for about ten days, then they disappeared. I did not want to go the antibiotic route unless needed. We were lucky in that he couldn't reach them to bite, lick or scratch. I did not change his food till he got allergic dermatitis on his snout, now he is on a corn and soy free food, and that has also cleared up.
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How great that you rescued Diamond!

It could possibly even be the chicken besides the grains!

Here are a few suggestions:

Consider food sensitivity testing, called "Nutri-Scan" created and patented by Dr. Jean Dodds of Hemopet: "This test measures antibodies to certain foods in dog saliva. High antibody levels indicate that the dog has a food sensitivity and intolerance to that food or foods. Food intolerance or sensitivity is actually quite common whereas food allergy is rare.
These are different body immune responses. Food allergy is a more immediate reaction mediated by production of IgE and IgG antibodies. Food sensitivity and intolerance, by contrast, measures a more delayed body response to offending foods by measuring production of IgA and IgM antibodies primarily in mucosal secretions from the bowel. NutriScan tests for the twenty most commonly ingested foods by dogs to provide you with specific results as to your dog's food intolerance's or sensitivities. Since it is a salivary test, you have the convenience to complete the test at home or at your veterinarian’s office. Best of all, you can have the results in approximately two weeks to help you put your dog on the right diet."
$130 for one panel (10 antigens), $250 for two panels (20 antigens). I suggest getting both. Vet Allergy test cost about $500 for 20 antigens. Check this page for test differences: http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/nutriscan-vs-skin-patchskin-prick-testing.html
Main site: NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs

Raw would be the best way to go but I understand that not everyone is able to do this. You may want to try a high quality novel protein kibble like pork and limited ingredients such as Acana Singles "Pork and Butternut Squash". Pork & Butternut Squash | Acana Type your zip code on the following page to find a Doggie Boutique near you that either carries it or can order it for you: Store Locator | Acana Ingredients: Deboned pork*, pork meal, green lentils, red lentils, pork liver*, butternut squash*, pork fat, green peas, yellow peas, canola oil, algae, garbanzo beans, pumpkin*, carrots*, pork kidney*, freeze-dried pork liver, kelp, chicory root, ginger root, peppermint leaf, lemon balm, mixed tocopherols (preservative), dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.
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Nature's Variety (not Nature's Recipe): Find a store here: Find a Store | Instinct Pet Food for Dogs and Cats Ingredients: Duck Meal, Tapioca, Peas, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Natural Flavor, Montmorillonite Clay, Coconut Oil, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins (Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Panthothenate, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Sodium Selenite), Choline Chloride, Green Tea Extract, Rosemary Extract.


If you do change food, take your time weaning her on to it.

Also, you may want to add two high quality oils and a digestive enzyme/probiotic to your dogs food:
Ultra Oil:
Amazon.com : Ultra Oil Skin & Coat Supplement with Hempseed Oil (16 fl. oz.) : Pet Fish Oil Nutritional Supplements : Pet Supplies Amazon.com : Ultra Oil Skin & Coat Supplement with Hempseed Oil (16 fl. oz.) : Pet Fish Oil Nutritional Supplements : Pet Supplies
"Our special formula of nutritional oils from Hempseed, Flaxseed, Grapeseed and Fish (sardine & anchovy) provides the Omega 6 and Omega 3 fatty acids pets need for healthy skin and a shining coat. It is the most effective way to relieve hot spots, allergic breakouts and other skin and coat irritations. Ultra Oil also relieves joint pain, dryness and excessive shedding – in addition to these other benefits:
  • Heart healthy, immunity and overall organ function.
  • Contains the crucial fat soluble vitamins, and minerals that are key to tissue repair
  • Doesn’t have that stinky fish smell
  • 100% Human Grade, and All Natural
  • Cold, Virgin Pressed
  • Non GMO
  • Hempseed oil is often referred to as nature’s most balanced source of Omegas.
  • Contains the full spectrum of healthy fats in the perfect balance. Omegas can’t be absorbed properly unless they have the proper balance of Omega 3,6 & 9. Fish oils are missing the proper balance of Omega 9.
Coconut Oil: to be used topically 2 or 3 times per day on the spots you described and added to your dogs food.
Purchase USDA Certified Organic Virgin Coconut Oil – raw/cold pressed (should also state Non GMO & without Hexane!) from a health food store. It has anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, and anti-viral properties! Add 1 tsp. of organic coconut oil to your dogs food for every 10 to 20 pounds of body weight.

Digestive Enzyme/Pro-Biotic combination: http://www.thewholisticpet.com/products/canine-product-line/digestive-support/wholistic-digest-all-plustm.html OR Sunday Sundae Nutritional Supplement

Always introduce each item slowly and at a smaller amount than recommended so as not to upset the gut.

Using Apple Cider Vinegar, suggested by Juliem is a great idea! Make sure that you purchase an Organic one like "Braggs" from a health food store, that contains the "Mother Tincture" which has the medicinal properties. Mix 50% ACV and 50% purified water (not city water).

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Old 06-12-2014, 12:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
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GSD mom...my mom raised me on that stuff...hated it as a kid, but have used it on horses, cows, goats, dogs kids and myself successfully. Now the grand kid is getting dosed with it. It is fabulous on sunburns, too!
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Since you are seeing this stuff in specific patches, I'm wondering if it might even be a bit of yeast or even staph on the skin.

I've seen some flaky, scabby patches on a few fosters, and the vet had me bathe with Chlorhexidene shampoo (available without a prescription); if there was a suspected fungal component, I was instructed to use Ketachlor shampoo (which requires a prescription). We had to repeat the baths weekly for 3 weeks with one dog; another one that was REALLY bad got bathed twice a week.

I'd start with basic Chlorhex shampoo (or Malaseb), available from online pet supply stores, or Amazon. It might knock it out with just a single bath or two. Here are some examples:
Amazon.com : TrizChlor 4 Shampoo 8oz : Pet Shampoos : Pet Supplies Amazon.com : TrizChlor 4 Shampoo 8oz : Pet Shampoos : Pet Supplies
Amazon.com : DVM Pharmaceuticals Malaseb Pet Shampoo, 16.9-Ounce : Pet Supplies Amazon.com : DVM Pharmaceuticals Malaseb Pet Shampoo, 16.9-Ounce : Pet Supplies
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ETA: keep chlorhex shampoo AWAY from the dog's eyes--this is VERY important. Read the label about how long to leave it on (usually 5-10 minutes).

If it has a yeast component, you can also use this kind of shampoo to give immediate relief, while using the coconut oil that Moms recommended in the diet. The coconut oil will help from the inside, slowly--for a long-term solution. The baths will help on the outside, for immediate relief. This is a situation where the mainstream vet products and nutraceuticals can work well together.
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