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Old 06-01-2014, 02:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Hind legs collapsing

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Today my 6 year old German Shepherd's hind legs collapsed from under him after I had just got back and was out in the garden playing ball with him. It is the first time it has happened and lasted roughly 2-3 mins. As he lay on the grass I massaged his hind legs and he rolled on his back and since then he has been fine! Ate his dinner and played ball. So obviously I was worried and googled it (I know I shouldn't!) and seen that it could be something like: heart failure, arthritis, nerve problems, exhaustion etc..!

I am going to go the vets tomorrow as they are shut today and see what the vet says but was wondering if anyone had any other solutions!?
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow....I imagine it was a tough time on you seeing this happen....hopefully all is well and am glad to hear he was fine after the episode.

If you would be as kind to post after the vet's visit with what they have to say...it would be appreciated.

I know it is agonizing to watch your dog come up limping or worse when they get going real hard and hurt themselves...

Hopefully, it's just some cramping or very brief discomfort which has already come to pass.


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you are already acting on the best solution, get to the vet. hope all goes smoothly. agreed, get back to us after vet visit.
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Hi guys,

Quick update. Popped the vets and told them what had happened and that he is back to normal now. They said that it could of been a stroke or a seizure! Told me to monitor him and if it happens again then take him in.

Relieved to have an idea what it was but still worried about it happening again and him getting worse!
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have him SEEN, by a another vet. just my opinion.
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Have him seen by an animal chiropractor. With sharp twists and turns, could have slipped a disc and pinched a nerve.

Should also look into what you are feeding, if you are not providing a biologically available food source (RAW), there could be a nutritional deficiency - need to nourish the ligaments, cartilage, joint fluids, soft tissues, nerves (myelin sheath) and muscles that hold all in place.
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You can have a nutritional deficiency on raw feeding GatorBytes, probably easier than on kibble, if you don't do it right.

I agree a chiropractor might be in order, but I'd do more diagnostic stuff first, OP. Maybe get some x-rays done?
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Raw Pet Food And AAFCO | Dogs Naturally Magazine

^^^Re: Kibble and AAFCO guidelines (remember - aafco is based on min. requirements)

Currently AAFCO’s requirement for zinc, for example, is based on the low bioavailability of zinc in kibble: phytates in kibble bind with zinc, making zinc unavailable to the dog. With meat based raw foods, there are no phytates so this isn’t an issue. Zinc also interacts with calcium. Less zinc is needed in diets lower in calcium while more zinc is needed in diets high in calcium. If one uses NRC Guidelines, a 33 pound dog would require 52.5 mg zinc for 3500 kcal, but AAFCO would require 120 mg for the same size dog. That’s understandable if most of the zinc isn’t bioavailable, but what happens when the zinc is easily bioavailable, as it would be in a raw diet? Could the current levels cause raw manufacturers to put too much zinc in their diets in order to meet AAFCO standards? As with all micronutrients, an overdose could be harmful.
The ratios of food ingredients, such as calcium and phosphorus, vitamin D and calcium, copper and zinc, vitamin E and fats, are important. Phytates in grains and fiber and legumes bind with zinc, calcium, iron, and magnesium and make these critical minerals less available to the body. According to the NRC Guidelines, “If the Ca:P ratio exceeds 2:1 or the diet contains significant amounts of phytate, (phosphorus) absorption will decrease.”
Foods with grains therefore need to add more phosphorus to meet the requirements of a dog than a meat based raw diet would. Requiring both to have the same amount of phosphorus doesn’t make sense and is potentially harmful. The amount of protein on a label also doesn’t tell you if the amino acids are in balance with one another or if the protein is in a usable form. High heat and processing can reduce the availability of amino acids, especially lysine, methionine and cysteine.
Many of the required nutrients (and there are over 40) are reactive or labile under the conditions of extrusion and high heat, so AAFCO nutrient profiles have been established to try to make up for this. Raw food however, doesn’t undergo the same heat and processing.
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I'm not saying kibble is the best (I feed raw), but if you don't get the ratios right, you can absolutely screw up feeding raw
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I'm not saying kibble is the best (I feed raw), but if you don't get the ratios right, you can absolutely screw up feeding raw
Oh, I totally agree. The comment reminded me of the link provided. Thought it would be good food for thought (yeah I punned).
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