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Old 05-29-2014, 01:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I think Ziva needs to gain some weight. I know thinner is better. She just seems to thin.

A bit of history. She is almost 15 months; 57.7 lbs. and about 25" tall. She is raw fed. Has numerous food sensitivities and can not have any grains except rice which she will not eat (I have tried). I tried adding some HK Love to her meals as it is high calorie. She won't touch it. I tried adding See Spot live longer dinner mix to ensure she is getting all the vitamins/minerals she needs. No go. To say she is a picky eater is an understatement. After 3-4 days in and out of the fridge raw gets a bit nasty. We've thrown out a good amount of food. That's getting expensive real fast.

She will skip meals altogether if she doesn't get a high level of exercise. Some days we just can't get it done so she won't eat. Ugh! The more she exercises the more calories she burns but she won't eat more.

She gets offered 24 oz. of raw plus treats per day. Treats are in the evening after meal time or during training if needed. Many days she will not her food or only half (about 12 oz.). If she doesn't eat we don't treat.

It's hard to see in the side view photos but you can easily see her ribs. Especially when she is in motion. I can feel every vertebrae in her spine.
I don't think anything like EPI as she doesn't have a huge appetite. Is that wrong thinking?

Her poops are pretty good. Sometimes a bit loose when she getting to much organ meat. Her favorite treats are Merrick's dehydrates lamb and beef lung. (DH doesn't always remember to many gives rocket butt ...he tries)

Thanks for reading the novel. Appreciate opinion/advise.

TIA!
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Old 05-29-2014, 01:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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yes
and unthrifty looking
her coat looks ratty and speaks of malnutrition
perhaps raw food is not the best diet for her
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Old 05-29-2014, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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you can easily see her ribs.

you should be able to feel not see the ribs

I can feel every vertebrae in her spine.

this is from lack of muscle

the lack of muscle is making her look and feel (to you) too thin
but lack of muscle tone is a long term condition not overnight

i would get a test for epi
she should not be this thin and refuse meals unless she has something else going on and it could be epi with or without sibo
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I saw what she wrote but looking at the pics I'm not seeing any of it. And def not seeing problems with the coat.

I'm not an expert though.


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Old 05-29-2014, 01:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yea I don't really see any problem with the coat, the second image just has something up with the lighting I think. She is definitely underweight, and it could be more than just a picky dog, its worth a trip to the vet for some thorough testing if the OP continues having trouble getting her to eat more.

ETA: If I had to pick anything out about the coat, it'd be that it is a little on the thin side, but I'm used to really overly thick coats.
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Old 05-29-2014, 01:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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your dog is fine. don't listen to previous ignorant posts. our 1.5 year old female is small and thin at 59 lbs. vet says she's a healthier weight for her height than the majority of the dogs he sees. not all sheps grow into beasts. i wouldn't worry at all.



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don't listen to previous ignorant posts
Good for you.

I'm curious as to how you can explain that often refusing meals(especially raw) is fine when she's obviously on the thin side(maybe not malnourished, but definitely thin), and that recommending a trip to the vet to check for possible medical causes is ignorant...
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Old 05-29-2014, 02:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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a 50lb dog should be eating around 1 lb a day of food
the op states she barely eats half of her amt which is 12 oz
since 16 oz is a full pound there is something going on with the dog

i would examine the diet and if you are lacking fat add some fat
that is my 1st hunch due to her coat not gleaming and the fact it sticks out as if it is dry
she is missing that spark or glow if you will from having a healthy shiny and lustrous coat

where it also shows up is lack of fat pad
she should not have visible ribs or spine and since you can see them she is missing a layer of fat under the skin
also muscle mass and you cannot build muscle mass or fat on less calories than you should have per day

that is the dog is dieting herself and her body looks like it

scarfish are you not able to see the differences in your dogs coats vs the op?
sure your dogs are lean and i like lean
in fact all my dogs are lean
this dog is way more than lean she is skinny and that does not look healthy
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I think she looks like a nice, lean weight.

I can easily feel and see my Dalmatian's ribs when he moves and he definitely eats, he's also very active.

As for the coat, I do not have a black/tan and I haven't seen one in person up close for a long time but if the coat is dull then I would just add some salmon oil to her diet.
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