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Old 05-16-2014, 10:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My vet found a grapefruit-sized tumor in my 10-year-old male's abdomen that she believes is a form of hemangio. It couldn't be aspirated so we don't know yet if it's benign or malignant but it is wrapped around a major vessel, which makes things more difficult. Just wondering if anyone has experience with this type of tumor in this location? We're doing chest X-rays to make sure that it hasn't spread and I'm hoping that they'll be able to do a minimally invasive biopsy. Any insight is appreciated.
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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pretty sure they can do minimally invasive biopsy, but that may not be they way to go. my concern would be be unwrapping from around the blood vessel. if that can be done, remove it at this time and then biopsy. this assumes they can't biopsy under local.
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Thanks for the reply. The location of the tumor is definitely a concern but if it's malignant, I'm not sure that I want to do major abdominal surgery at Jaeger's age. We just found yesterday so there's lots to consider.
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Oh, Cheryl, I'm so sorry. Hemangio is a sad diagnosis.

If you look back through old threads (search for "hemangio" OR "hemangiosacrcoma") you might feel some solace in knowing you aren't alone. Too many of us have been down this path.

I really hope your dog's turns out to be something else. Best wishes for you and your dog!
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Oh, Cheryl, I'm so sorry. Hemangio is a sad diagnosis.

If you look back through old threads (search for "hemangio" OR "hemangiosacrcoma") you might feel some solace in knowing you aren't alone. Too many of us have been down this path.

I really hope your dog's turns out to be something else. Best wishes for you and your dog!
Thank you. It is a nasty diagnosis and reading what others have gone through is giving me some good advice and preparation. I'm still hopeful and Jaeger is going to have a great weekend at the cottage while we wait for X-ray results.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What vessel did they say it was wrapped around? If it isn't ruptured at this point, getting it out would actually be a better plan now before it has a chance to spread or rupture and seed the abdomen with it. We tend to see a lot of these kind of tumors where I work, and honestly his age wouldn't be a stopping gap to us for surgery. We routinely do surgery on older dogs than he is, and generally speaking, the vast majority do pretty well. It depends on the mass in question, the dog's health status at the time, things of that nature.

If it is something that is wrapping around a major vessel, it may be something that you want a board certified surgeon removing, since they have the extra training and generally more specialized tools to deal with that kind of situation. I can't tell you how many times I hear from the surgeons that they are having to be cautious of the aorta or vena cava in the midst of removing a tumor or something else from a dog. It definitely makes us all be on high alert and ready for something to happen, but I think it is rare that they actually have torn one of those vessels on accident.

Since the mass is in his abdomen he would need to be asleep if they were going to try to get a biopsy of it. Given where it is located, if you are able to afford and want to go through surgery, having a CT with contrast would likely give them an idea of how easy or hard it would be to remove, given the proximity to a large vessel. Just to give you a little more food for thought.

Good luck to you and your boy! My parents lost our golden last March to hemangio. His had ruptured, spread to liver and lungs, and while he recovered from surgery, a few days later he passed away. Meanwhile others who had them rupture recovered well, and are still alive. It really all is a game of chance. :/
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My guy was 9.5 when he had surgery for hemangiosarcoma. We got the diagnosis after the surgery. There was a small chance that the tumor was benign, but no such luck. He sailed through the surgery. With chemo he lived 4 months.
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I tell my coworkers to never let me do surgery on hemangiosarc after 10 years old, even before then. Prognosis is too grave. You get 6 months out of them if you're lucky, usually just a couple months. And that's with chemo, while they're recovering from a major abdominal surgery.

I started doing yearly rads on zeke once he hit 6, my thought was to hopefully catch a tumor early before it spread if it happened, remove it, and be good to go. My board certified surgeon told me that was pointless. He said once a tumor was there, it would spread regardless of early removal or not.

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I've considered just removing the spleen for preventative, Anubus lol.

And my boss has the most insane two dogs. One had lymphoma but is still going after chemo. And his other dog had hemangio in the spleen and he had them start up chemo shortly after he was out of the OR. A year later, he still has both of them and they're not showing signs of it being the end yet. So some days you never really know. Those two have shocked the **** out of us all.
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I've considered just removing the spleen for preventative, Anubus lol.

And my boss has the most insane two dogs. One had lymphoma but is still going after chemo. And his other dog had hemangio in the spleen and he had them start up chemo shortly after he was out of the OR. A year later, he still has both of them and they're not showing signs of it being the end yet. So some days you never really know. Those two have shocked the **** out of us all.
I've said the same thing but dam board certified specialists I work with lol, they assure me if they're going to get it they're going to get it. If the spleen is gone they'll just get it in the liver or the heart

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