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New strain of Parvo

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#1 ·
Just saw this on Facebook. Does anyone have more information?


"FYI huge parvo outbreak in SoCal we have lost two dogs and have a third in er... Our vet said to warn all rescues about it as there's a new strain that attacks and kills dogs rapidly worse than all other strains. Yesterday, Romeo a five mo old pup we have went into full blown seizure and bled and peed all over. I took him to our vet to get checked out for lethargy and we ended up with him seizing and having blood and urine come out of his body from both ends he went up to a 107 temp from seizure and passed away on the vet table after trying everything to bring him back he wouldn't come back he is the second one to contract the virus from my rescue that hasn't lived... Three other rescues also had dogs die this week. He is sending samples of their blood to be tested to try to help get a cure in the future for dogs. There is NO vaccine for this parvo strain immediately start vet treatment if dogs show following signs: excessive drooling, runny nose, weight loss or loss of appetite, kennel cough, immobility, fever... The photos below show a rapid decrease in health within only two days time frame watch your dogs for any signs of sickness and take them in immediately with even the slightest problem!"
 
#12 ·
That's very scary.I gave my pup all the vaccinations needed but I'm seriously considering giving him another booster shot.He will be 5 months 1/2 this coming Saturday and my vet said that it wouldn't be a bad idea and it won't do any harm to my boy.Has any one done this before? Thanks for your reply in advance.
 
#17 ·
The last that I heard, the newer strain of parvo, which is the 2c the post from trcy mentioned, is not like what the facebook post describes. Given the way that the one puppy is described in passing I would have chucked it up to poison or distemper and not parvo. The current strains of parvo hit rapidly dividing cells first, and the most rapid in dogs who are no longer in utero tends to be the bone marrow and the intestines. They're constantly active, always making new cells. If a puppy is younger than 8 weeks old when they get parvo it has been known to cause cardiac problems and a quick death, so that wouldn't be new in a younger puppy.

If that is just a facebook remark that someone has mentioned, I'd be taking it with a grain of salt and looking for more credible sources to say that something has happened that seems to be spreading. The mode of action is so far from what parvo generally does, I would imagine them considering distemper (which does have a neuro portion to it) or some kind of poisoning more than just parvo. Cluster seizures can cause a huge temperature spike, which can send an animal into DIC, which causes the bleeding, bruising and eventual total system shut down and death.

Too little definitive information to take it 100% seriously, IMHO. Perhaps just be cautious about where your dog goes if you are in that area and wait to see if more reports come up. Generally speaking an outbreak of anything that causes a lot of sickness/death will end up in the news. We had to do a public service announcement one year about parvo because it was just so bad instead of a handful of cases a month, we had easily pushing a dozen a week.
 
#18 ·
If that is just a facebook remark that someone has mentioned, I'd be taking it with a grain of salt and looking for more credible sources to say that something has happened that seems to be spreading.
This is a facebook post that is going around through the rescue threads I'm on. I copy and pasted because I don't know how to link to it.
 
#20 ·
Hm. I still would not believe that it is some strain of new strain of parvo 100% based off of what still is information without positive testing or necropsy done to prove what the cause of death is. Parvo has the general symptoms of anorexia, vomiting, bloody mucoid diarrhea (the 2c strain is supposed to have more orange poo), lethargy and dehydration. They get secondary bacterial infections from the bacteria in the gut moving into the bloodstream, which is what causes the real damage and why its supportive care that helps.

The symptoms that they list would have me thinking distemper more than parvo. People honestly do get them confused at times, but hopefully the vet who is caring for these pups will get some samples into labs to figure out what is going on.

HansGFG, my golden got an extra parvo shot when he was young because he got his first shot at 6 weeks of age and he came with me to work every day. So he was literally in a facility that often had parvo puppies staying in it, and because of my caution with where I brought him, the protocol for vaccines and just how I dealt with my clothing post work, he never got it. Nor have I brought it home either. If you live in an area where parvo is really a huge problem, it shouldn't hurt. The other thing you could do is have them draw blood and run an antibody titer test to be sure your dog has adequate levels for that specific disease. The titer testing can be a little spendy, but if you want to keep vaccines down it wouldn't hurt to try it. :)
 
#22 ·
Many years ago when I worked at a vet, I worked there during one of the worst parvo outbreaks in the area ever. Dogs of all ages were coming in. Puppies, mid age, seniors, most with shots, some without. A 8 month old Old Engish Sheepdog that didn't make it on Day 2 had 107 degree temp, seizures, all the stuff OP explained. He came from a good home and had all shots that should have prevented it but didn't. The vets never seen anything like it. I think the most concerning thing was the ages of the dogs, it wasn't just puppies or older dogs and shots didn't seem to matter.
 
#23 ·
You all do know that there IS more then one parvo strain right? The vacs are only effective against the common ones, and barely at that. The symptoms described do not sound like parvo and I have never heard of coughing being listed as a symptom.
Early signs are lethargy and loss of appetite, followed by bloody diarrhea and sometimes vomiting. Affected dogs waste quickly, as dehydration is most often the actual killer. Many dogs succumb in as little as 24-48 hours.
Folks who have experienced it will always mention the smell, and it signals parvo as clearly as the blood test. Once you've smelled it you never forget it.
There have been studies that suggest that bitches who survive parvo produce pups that are immune, which may be why it seems so hit and miss.

Over vaccinating will not better protect your dog, the puppy series is given to get around maternal immunity, which wears off at different times in different pups. A vaccine given while the pup is still naturally immune is not effective. Most vaccines are effective for 3-7 years or longer.

On a slightly different topic before your dogs next vacs, go to the makers website. Did you know you may be injecting things like mercury into your dog? Do your own research and stop blindly following your vets advice.
 
#24 ·
In the US a vet has to have gone to school for 3 years undergrad and 4 years of vet school at a minimum. They are the trained experts not me. The reason I got to a vet is because I don't have the medical experience or the background to make a knowledgeable judgement based on anecdotal and possibly false info posted on the internet.
 
#25 ·
This is directly from Mercks website

WARNINGS:
- Contains gentamicin as a preservative.
- Vaccinate only healthy, non-parasitized dogs.
- Do not vaccinate pregnant bitches.
- The use of a biological product may produce anaphylaxis and/or other inflammatory immune-mediated hypersensitivity reactions. Antidote: Epinephrine, corticosteroids, and antihistamines may all be indicated depending on the nature and severity of the reaction.
- The age at which maternal antibody for canine parvovirus no longer interferes with the development of active immunity varies according to the bitch’s titer and quantity of colostral antibodies absorbed by the puppy.
 
#30 ·
There are a wide variety of educated views on vaccination on this board, both pro and con and somewhere in the middle. The statements you (Sabis mom) have made as "Fact" are opinions. I am a "somewhere in the middle" person and have NOT been in a bubble at all!

Back to the original topic. I, too, searched and only found reference to the 2008 outbreak which is the 2c strain and a lot of hysteria about the "2F" strain. Do viruses develop resistant strains? Yes, over time. Is this one? So far it does not seem to be.
 
#44 ·
Around me alot of measles cases are popping up.

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The old vaccinations cause autism debate........talk about flogging a dead horse......
Anyone else notice the word PROBABLY........now there's a convincing argument......:rolleyes:
I would love to see peer reviewed studies that debunk the argument that vaccines are related to Autism...:)

Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah 84322, USA. singhvk@cc.usu.edu
Abstract

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.


 
#36 ·
I work with a vet who practices both traditional and supportive holistic veterinary medicine, she is a DVM. I asked her opinion, she said we are over vaccinating our dogs (and cats).

Every other year was her recommendation for adult dogs.

Further, I ran across this write up by again, mainstream veterinary professional group, FVMA, authored by Richard B. Ford, DVM, MS Diplomate ACVIM, Diplomate (Hon) ACVPM, Emeritus Professor of Medicine - North Carolina State University.

Link to the entire article below, it really is worth reading the whole thing but in a nut shell, regarding booster for adult dogs the conclusion drawn below from actual studies which are cited in the paper:

Recommendations for RE-VACCINATION (Booster)-Canine:

  • After completing the initial series CORE vaccines (distemper+parvovirus+adenovirus-2) it is recommended to administer a single dose (combination vaccine) every 3 years or longer. NOTE: substantial data exists to demonstrate that dogs derive protective immunity for several years following administration of MLV Core vaccines.
Read the whole thing here: 2012 VACCINES & VACCINATION:The FACTS vs. The FICTION
 
#37 · (Edited)
I work with a vet who practices both traditional and supportive holistic veterinary medicine, she is a DVM. I asked her opinion, she said we are over vaccinating our dogs (and cats).

Every other year was her recommendation for adult dogs.

Further, I ran across this write up by again, mainstream veterinary professional group, FVMA, authored by Richard B. Ford, DVM, MS Diplomate ACVIM, Diplomate (Hon) ACVPM, Emeritus Professor of Medicine - North Carolina State University.

Link to the entire article below, it really is worth reading the whole thing but in a nut shell, regarding booster for adult dogs the conclusion drawn below from actual studies which are cited in the paper:

Read the whole thing here: 2012 VACCINES & VACCINATION:The FACTS vs. The FICTION
My vet has also gone to the every 3 year protocol for adult dogs. In fact she told me she titres her dogs and has gone 9 years without adult dog shots... She is very current on the latest info.

That being said she does recommend another puppy shot. She said she would have recommended skipping the 8 week one doing it at 10 weeks, 14 weeks and 18 weeks to get in that older shot, but since my boy came with shots at 8 weeks and 12 weeks we did the 16 week one and she also suggest 20 to catch that older time frame.

And because I do, some of my own research and am familiar with Dr. Dodds profile (respected and peer reviewed) I have been hesitating on that last
shot.

Ahh thank you for the link! This helps. "15. Breed-specific vaccination recommendations.

FICTION: The initial vaccination series in Dobermans and Rottweilers should be continued until 20 or 24 weeks of age.

FACT: Today, most authors agree that these breeds do NOT have a uniquely higher risk of acquiring parvovirus following exposure nor are they more likely than any other breed to fail to be immunized following parvovirus vaccine administration. The high disease incidence and the frequency of vaccine failures recognized in the late 1970s and early 1980s is not considered to be a concern today."
 
#48 ·
autism is a catch all diagnosis is the sole reason for the seeming rise
if they cant figure out what is wrong with the kid they are labeled autism
it is all about billing and diagnositic codes since they have to bill for something
in a way insurance created the rise which isnt a rise at all
this comes from a parent of a child not autistic but billed through insurance as autism spectrum when it was explained to me that this is the closest to match what is going on with my child

cdc only looks at what the diagnosis is
not how they arrived at that diagnosis :rolleyes:
 
#50 ·
gatorbytes gotta love your passion but until you have a child you have had to take to specialist and watch how they diagnosis before you state vaccines caused anything
most likely there is nothing there but once again they have to label it something for billing purposes

not to mention lack of discipline in homes
parents working and kids in daycares and latch key kids
tv and video games and junk food also lead to behavioral problems and next thing you know the teachers are begging you to take your kid
and get a diagnosis of something
anything
 
#54 ·
Would like to see more on the aluminum...certainly a lot of skepticism on aluminum adjuvants....certainly need to keep all eyes open.

Nice educational article about adjuvants in general
Immunology and Cell Biology - Vaccine adjuvants: Current state and future trends

I was serious on the GMO statment, specifically Roundup (glyphosate). Another possibility.......

http://www.gmoevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GlyModern-diseaseSamsel-Seneff-13-1.pdf

Not exactly peer reviewed but interesting.....(I take Mercola with a grain of salt)
The Horrific Truth About Monsanto's Roundup Herbicide
 
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