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GoSailGo 01-28-2014 06:12 PM

EPI/SIBO/Giardia tests are back...good and bad?
 
I am STILL trying to figure out what is wrong with Navarro. He stopped eating again for a while and now is doing fine again. We did xrays, a basic blood test and pancreatitis tests a few weeks ago, all normal. We did more tests on Saturday for EPI, SIBO and giardia. Giardia was negative, EPI test was 7 and I am told anything above 5.7 is good...though he said 7 was low enough to try enzymes and see if they make a difference. B12 was a little low as well but vet didn't say anything about antibiotics. He recommended probiotics, b12 supplement and enzymes and retest for EPI at some point down the road since he is so young...he thinks maybe it is starting but not enough to make a diagnosis yet? He has always had loose stools and since November his coat has gotten ratty and weight low. Anything else I can do to help this boy? It has been a long road...about 7 grand in vet bills for our first year together. I really need him to start being healthy at some point!!!

carmspack 01-28-2014 06:43 PM

Giardia needs to be done more than once , weeks apart .
Are there concerns such as soupy stools , weight loss, lethargy ? I may have missed previous posts .
If it is a matter of eating and that worrying you , that is another matter.

I may put out a thread on feeding. Just finished reading a study done in the late 70's which looked at large dogs vs small dogs , caloric needs in relation to nutritional needs.
The problem is that once the caloric needs are met there is a satisfaction , satiation point, where the dog will stop eating . That , though, may well be below the nutrition needed for a large , quickly growing dog !!!!

So for GSD it appears , calorie conservative --- nutrient value HIGH .

no junk food , no empty calories - or other problems ensue.

GoSailGo 01-28-2014 07:13 PM

He has had diarrhea off and on for a few weeks but his eating has been so inconsistent I can't really judge fairly. He has been on California Naturals Kangaroo and Lentil plus raw herring since November. We were treating for Demodex/ringworm/yeast infection/hot spots/allergies in November. Was doing good December. More hot sports this month and then stopped eating. Digestive system shut down. He would eat his dinner and then puke it all up in the morning undigested. Lost about 7 lbs in the last 2 weeks. His coat is thin, dull and brittle right now. He is back to eating but I would LOVE to know why he is having such a hard time with life. Sorry I would link the posts but there are SO many I'm just lost. I never thought dog ownership would be this complicated.

Sunflowers 01-28-2014 07:29 PM

Does this sound familiar?

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ot-eating.html

I went through h ell and had every test under the sun done, everything came back normal.

He continued to have problems until I finally got the Nutriscan test. Turns out all Hans can eat is beef and lamb. Everything else makes him sick.

Ever since I put him on an all beef diet even his skin got better, because his immune system is no longer having to fight with the food. His problem was not acid, not bone, not raw, it was the fact that he reacts to chicken, turkey, venison, even rice and sweet potato. White fish gets an over the top reaction, and I had put him on Seacure. :eek:

What I was feeding was making him sick. But I would never have known without that test.

carmspack 01-28-2014 07:46 PM

"November. We were treating for Demodex/ringworm/yeast infection/hot spots/allergies in November." PLUS , I bet you that there were vaccinations too !
stress shuts down the digestive system . That is why we have phrases like - gut wrenching . You can have spasms, diarrhea, feel nauseous . Sounds like a great deal of inflammation.
Sounds like a great assault on the dogs young developing immune system.
Is there a holistic / alternative vet in your area . Talk to them about digestive enzymes, probiotics and anti inflammatory aides .

I would make a dense bone broth and serve it a "blood" temperature.

If there are cramps , slippery elm will sooth .

Many ways --

GoSailGo 01-28-2014 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunflowers (Post 4922962)
Does this sound familiar?

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ot-eating.html

I went through h ell and had every test under the sun done, everything came back normal.

He continued to have problems until I finally got the Nutriscan test. Turns out all Hans can eat is beef and lamb. Everything else makes him sick.

Ever since I put him on an all beef diet even his skin got better, because his immune system is no longer having to fight with the food. His problem was not acid, not bone, not raw, it was the fact that he reacts to chicken, turkey, venison, even rice and sweet potato. White fish gets an over the top reaction, and I had put him on Seacure. :eek:

What I was feeding was making him sick. But I would never have known without that test.

Yikes that is interesting. Mine is not dry vomiting though he vomits after his food had been sitting in his stomach for 12 hours and not been digested. Your post said that the coat was still good? Did you have a lot of itching? I had CRAZY itching in November until I switched to California Naturals as recommended by a dermatologist vet, so I thought I had addressed the allergy part of it. And always loose stools from day 1 when I brought him home.

GoSailGo 01-28-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmspack (Post 4923082)
"November. We were treating for Demodex/ringworm/yeast infection/hot spots/allergies in November." PLUS , I bet you that there were vaccinations too !

Sorry. No vaccinations since March. :( The only thing that was different was he started itching and shedding like mad about three weeks prior to all the other problems happening.

GoSailGo 01-28-2014 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmspack (Post 4923082)
Is there a holistic / alternative vet in your area . Talk to them about digestive enzymes, probiotics and anti inflammatory aides .

I would make a dense bone broth and serve it a "blood" temperature.

If there are cramps , slippery elm will sooth .

I was going to a holistic vet but they kept pushing unnecessary pesticides on me for localized puppy demodex, which I got rid of naturally in 2 weeks! My new vet has recommended probiotics, enzymes and b12. I will start him on those and trying making some bone broth for him.

Sunflowers 01-28-2014 08:31 PM

We had bad itching with chicken especially, so I fed turkey and duck. It turns out that those were bad for him too.
I think the coat stayed good as long as I fed him raw. I was also giving Feedsentials , and I'm sure that helped a lot with the coat. When I put him on freeze-dried, the hair started to fall out dramatically. Once I thought it might be the the Feedsentials, I stopped that, and it didn't do any good except that the hair started falling out again.

He only stopped scratching when I started an all beef diet. You still get some skin things and vomits bile now and again, but at least now he eats and keeps the food down. There were days when he would open his mouth and barf out whole chicken hearts. It was awful.

GoSailGo 01-28-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunflowers (Post 4923426)
We had bad itching with chicken especially, so I fed turkey and duck. It turns out that those were bad for him too.
I think the coat stayed good as long as I fed him raw. I was also giving Feedsentials , and I'm sure that helped a lot with the coat. When I put him on freeze-dried, the hair started to fall out dramatically. Once I thought it might be the the Feedsentials, I stopped that, and it didn't do any good except that the hair started falling out again.

He only stopped scratching when I started an all beef diet. You still get some skin things and vomits bile now and again, but at least now he eats and keeps the food down. There were days when he would open his mouth and barf out whole chicken hearts. It was awful.

Oh my gosh! That does sound terrible! Navarro has not been itching since switching to the California Naturals, so I am thinking it is now more of a digestive problem. Just dull dry yucky coat. :(


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