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misslesleedavis1 01-14-2014 12:36 PM

Vaccines thoughts
So, last night i got a pretty severe earful from a person about getting my dogs vaccinated. My dogs are UTD on everything and she was pretty hard core anti vaccinating them, her reason being that "dogs live off the land, and vaccines are not needed in their natural state", my argument against this was, rabies, parvo, distemper exists, and i would like to prevent it from happening to my dogs..i have never known a person to never have their dogs vaccinated, is it common? did i miss out on something when it comes to my dogs living off the land lol? For the record, i wont be letting my dogs go without vaccines i am just curious as to what everyones thoughts are, and if their is any benefits in what this woman does with her animals.

LoveEcho 01-14-2014 12:41 PM

My thoughts are, whatever works for you- go with that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and beliefs, and I think people should go with whatever their gut tells them after research. Some people (i.e. that woman) seem to think that they can change other people's minds by making them feel bad. Personally, I follow minimum vaccine protocol... I do the standard puppy vaccines and vaccinate to a year, but after that I do titers for my vaccines (except for rabies, which is required by law). I do vaccinate against Lepto because it is extremely prevalent in my area. It's really something to determine based on what your dog does, where he goes (day care? Large training facilities? Lots of hiking?), and what you're comfortable with.

halo2013 01-14-2014 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by onyx'girl (Post 4830938)
I've never had an issue with parasites, and don't 'treat' anything other than freezing like Nancy posted.
Not sure I'd want to feed anything that has been brined like that.

All of my meat gets vaccumed sealed and frozen. And I'm sure that kills the parasites alone. But I'm still super paranoid. Ever since them two cases came into where I was working I've just been on the fence about it. I don't feel anyone is in the wrong for raw feeding. A lot of people do it with never having any problems. After

I vaccinate my animals. Its just like vaccinating yourself to prevent stuff. Some people just like to find ways to look better then other people. They don't vaccinate great for them. You do. It works for you. Your dog is domestic. Not wild and by some state laws have to have certain shots. If it works for you great
I'll never not vaccinate my dog.

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NancyJ 01-14-2014 01:06 PM

For rabies, the law requires. You put off the 1st puppy shot as long as you can, That one needs to be boostered then as law requires. You will be in a lot of hurt if you do not. Everyone makes their own mind up on the rest but realize what you do/don't give will impact your access to training classes, boarding kennels, etc. FWIW, death by disease is not a stranger to wild animals. While dogs are protected by distemper from "herd immunity" in the dog population, those pesky racoons are still out there getting it and shedding it.

Personally, I have given the core vaccines and boostered after 1 year the standard distemper, parvo, hepatitis then had titers drawn last year on the parvo and distemper. Going forward I will probably just draw parvo tempers as that is the one, I think, that lasts the shortest. No plans to do more. I did make sure to separate out so Rabies was given all by itself as it is the one more likely to have a reaction.

Leptospirosis - controversial. I can't answer for you. I have not done and hope not to regret. If you do give it, it does not cover all strains of disease and must be given every year. The viral vaccines appear to have at least 7 year, if not life, immunity. Lepto is a bacteria.

Google AAHA vaccine guidelines and also Google Dr Dodds and that may be give you a point for developing your own viewpoints.

Sp00ks 01-14-2014 01:17 PM

I pretty much follow LoveEcho's philosophy. Bare minimum required and anything that might be prevalent in my area. My pup is starting pup training and socialization and the training center requires bordetella so he got that.

dcg9381 01-14-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by misslesleedavis1 (Post 4832322)
her reason being that "dogs live off the land, and vaccines are not needed in their natural state",

Wow. I can't think of many worse arguments.
I'd counter that with: "what is the average life expectancy of a dog in a natural state?"

I'd answer it with:
If these natural dogs don't die of sheer starvation, diseases such as parvovirus, heartworm, or intestinal parasites usually kill them. Their average life span is one to two years per National Geographic.

I think we do over vaccinate. Texas A&M had studies that showed that for vaccines like rabies, the vaccine is active for long after the year mark. Scientifically speaking, there is some justification for ditching annual some vaccines. Throw in heath conditions - like Degenerative Myelopathy that may have an auto-immune component, over vaccination can be a bad thing.

misslesleedavis1 01-14-2014 01:25 PM

Leptospirosis is a vaccine myself and my fiance debated about getting. We did in the end because our dogs go off roading alot and they love to find the most gross swamp they can and bask in it. I agree that its each individuals choice on what they do. If i had to choose one vaccine i could not live without for my dog, it would be rabies!!

Saphire 01-14-2014 02:00 PM

Something to read before vaccinating for Lepto.

NancyJ 01-14-2014 02:10 PM

WE have had some very lengthy discussions on lepto on the board with lots of references.

Liesje 01-14-2014 02:23 PM

As long as one makes an informed decision based on THEIR locale, the health and history of their animals, and where the animals go, I don't care if one person's "protocol" is the same as mine. In fact I don't know any person that uses the exact same protocol that I do, but all of our dogs are healthy and we each have different considerations.

Right now I do three puppy shots. Typically the first is given by the breeder so it's their choice when to start the series. The other two are given 3-4 weeks apart by my vet and I let them use whatever combo they feel is best. At 6 months we do rabies. One year later, we do another rabies and a distemper/parvo. Then just rabies and distemper/parvo every 3 years until the dog is a senior and no longer out of the house other than our own yard and leash walks. I also have to license my dogs with the county, paying double for the intact ones. I do not do bordetella vaccines.

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