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SuperG 12-27-2013 06:40 PM

Gastropexy (moved to health from gen info)
 
Just curious and interested in the opinion of others as to whether you believe getting a gastropexy done is beneficial.

My last shepherd had one performed when she was spayed.

I understand that a dog with a gastropexy can still get bloat obviously.

Thank you for your input.

SuperG

huntergreen 12-27-2013 07:05 PM

if they can still bloat, what is the point?

SharkB8 12-27-2013 07:21 PM

I was told it was the only option for my last shepherd after several bloats and several trips to the ER.

Had the surgery done and a couple days later, his sutures ripped open. I took him to the emergency vet and they turned me away. I had to bandage him up on my own and take him to a vet in the morning.

After he healed, be bloated again. The doc who recommended the surgery then suggested a test to detect a certain bacteria in his GI tract. He tested positive for the bacteria. The test was about $14. The antibiotics were about $9. He never bloated again.

My suggestion is if your dog is bloating, inquire about the bacteria test before spending $1500 on a possibly unnecessary/ineffective surgery and the pain and suffering it could put on your dog.

Good luck!

gsdsar 12-27-2013 10:19 PM

Gastropexy is very effective at keeping a dog from having a gastric torsion, GDV. But they can still bloat.

People often use the term bloat when they mean GDV. GDV is life threatening emergent condition. GDV is what kills dogs.

Bloat is just the stomach filling with gas. If a dog bloats, the stomach, now filled with air, can turn on its axis. This turn, a gastric torsion, cuts off blood supply to the stomach and intestines and is very deadly.

So yes. With a Pexy the dog can bloat. But the stomach cannot twist. It can be a life saving procedure.

If you are going to do it, do it when she is spayed, to avoid a separate anesthetic event.

My one girl is pexied. She was pexied very late in life. But we battled, and still are, a nasty stomach bacteria. She has not bloated in a while now, but during the battle, she bloated 2-3x a day( not exaggerating). I was terrified to leave her. So we pexied her, did a stomach biopsy, it was the biopsy that found the bacteria. But I still get the occasional bloat. But now I don't panic. She gets simethicone and I watch. Before the Pexy, I was a wreck, rushed in to the vet constantly, to prevent a GDV.




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SharkB8 12-28-2013 11:49 AM

Good points, gsdsar. I should clarify that my dog had gastric torsion associated with his bloat and had the gastropexy to prevent this, but continued to have gastric torsion.

And it sounds like we had a similar situation with the cause being the bacteria. Your pup's just sounds a lot more severe.

arycrest 12-28-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huntergreen (Post 4731218)
if they can still bloat, what is the point?

To prevent torsion ... using a **** and Jane description, it "anchors" the stomach in place.

Bruiser had several bouts of sudden bloat, thankfully I immediately gave him Gas-X which helped relieve the gas. But to be on the safe side, I finally had his stomach tacked just to hopefully ensure he won't get torsion if I accidentally miss an episode of bloat.

ADDENDUM: THIS DARN "CURSE" WORD SCREENING IRRITATES ME. "using a RICHARD and Jane description" okay??????

SharkB8 12-28-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arycrest (Post 4734162)
To prevent torsion ... using a **** and Jane description, it "anchors" the stomach in place.

<snip>

ADDENDUM: THIS DARN "CURSE" WORD SCREENING IRRITATES ME. "using a RICHARD and Jane description" okay??????

Wow, it just ending up drawing more attention to the non-intended meaning by censoring it. Unreal.

huntergreen 12-28-2013 04:06 PM

tks for the answers.

SuperG 12-28-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharkB8 (Post 4733818)
Good points, gsdsar. I should clarify that my dog had gastric torsion associated with his bloat and had the gastropexy to prevent this, but continued to have gastric torsion.

And it sounds like we had a similar situation with the cause being the bacteria. Your pup's just sounds a lot more severe.


This seems confusing or I am mistaken in thinking that gastric torsion refers to an event when the stomach becomes twisted due to bloat. Bloat refers to the distension of the stomach due to gas....regardless whether the stomach twists or not.

Torsion means being twisted or turned.

So, even though you have had your dog pexied..your dog's stomach continued to suffer torsion " twist or turn" ?? That seems really strange. I could see how a pexy would have no effect on bloat but most definitely a positive effect on torsion.

I have to assume since you stated that your dog continues to experience gastric torsion even after the pexy...you have had your dog to the vet numerous times for emergency surgery to untwist your dog's stomach???


SuperG

gsdsar 12-28-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperG (Post 4735458)
This seems confusing or I am mistaken in thinking that gastric torsion refers to an event when the stomach becomes twisted due to bloat. Bloat refers to the distension of the stomach due to gas....regardless whether the stomach twists or not.

Torsion means being twisted or turned.

So, even though you have had your dog pexied..your dog's stomach continued to suffer torsion " twist or turn" ?? That seems really strange. I could see how a pexy would have no effect on bloat but most definitely a positive effect on torsion.

I have to assume since you stated that your dog continues to experience gastric torsion even after the pexy...you have had your dog to the vet numerous times for emergency surgery to untwist your dog's stomach???


SuperG

You are correct. Pexy will keep a dog from having a torsion, but not bloat.

My personal dog, since being pexied, has bloated, but does not have the risk of torsion.

Sorry for any confusion.


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