Nutriscan test, Vet doesn't trust results, Help?
My 4.5 month old male puppy has been itchy & had runny poops since the day he came home from the breeder. We initially did a mite treatment (still itchy after 4 weeks of treatment), then skin biopsy to check for any skin diseases (negative for everything on panel). Benadryl, zyrtec didn't work to control itching (itched several raw spots in arm pits and belly), prescription shampoo helped a bit to sooth his skin, but would itch again the next day. Prednisone stopped itching, but was very hard on him and us with the need to pee all the time (made house training nearly impossible). Switched to cyclosporine which helped, but he still itches some. We make him wear a shirt to heal the raw spots, but this is like the hottest summer ever in Utah and the poor guy is just hot in the shirt (plus he is growing so fast I have to keep buying bigger shirts all the time).
He was on Kirkland Adult Salmon & Sweet Potato food from breeder. We switched him to Blue Buffalo large breed puppy chicken and rice. Since he itched through both foods, had big eye goobers, and had runny stools. I compared all the ingredients and consulted with Vet and decided to eliminate anything both foods had in common (chicken, salmon, sweet potato, potato, flaxseed, peas) and switched him to Natures Variety Raw Instinct Venison & Lamb. I also ordered a nutriscan test after reading about in on this forum. Poops became firmer since switch to nature's variety, still itching and some eye goobers.
We received the nutriscan tests over the weekend. He had high reactivity to Salmon, chicken, pork, eggs, quinoa and rice. Medium reactivity to Barley, millet, oatmeal, peanuts, potato, rabbit. Weak reactivity to corn, milk, turkey, venison, white fish, sweet potato. The only negative reactivity items on the panel were beef & lamb.
I sent the results to our Vet, but since it was a holiday weekend he didn't respond until today. I made the executive decision based on the nutriscan results to get rid of everything that the puppy showed any reactivity to and go with only lamb and beef food and treats (some of the food and treats have items not tested for in the nutriscan panel like alfalfa, tomatoes, berries, etc). I found a diet limited ingredient Nature Variety Lamb with alfalfa. I also found Merrick canned beef and lamb food that I thought I could supplement the dry food with because a growing puppy seems to need more than the diet dog food.
Our Vet called me today and said he had consulted with a dermatologist and they both think the nutriscan test is bogus. He wants us to go back on a venison based diet with potato. Stay on that for 6 weeks with cyclosporine and then if he is still itchy go in for skin tests.
I'm at a loss of what to do. I really like our Vet. We used him with our previous dog that passed away last year (he saw us through a ruptured disc back surgery and bone cancer on the previous dog), but I wouldn't say he is cutting edge or out of the box. I kind of want to go with a diet based on the nutriscan results for six weeks and see if it helps, but going against the advice of people with actual veterinary degrees doesn't seem good either. I'm leaning toward a second opinion, however Utah doesn't have many specialists so I'm not sure I can find another dermatologist Vet besides the person our regular vet is already consulting with.
Any help, ideas or feedback. I just want our puppy to feel better and get to be a puppy.
I have had a similar reaction when I showed Nikki's dermatologist the Nutriscan results. I have known this vet for 10 years and he has taken care of my Heidi also who had severe allergies, I trust him 100%.
Sorry, but my blood BOILS when I hear vets say things like this!:mad:
Oliver's Mom, this is not aimed at you, ;) I just need to vent FOR YOU & ME seeing and hearing this year after year and these vets wont get their head out of the sand!
Here is an article of what vets WISHED they had known before administering all of the vaccines they gave for years! Vets On Vaccines | Dogs Naturally Magazine
Dr. Dodds has spent her LIFE researching vaccinations and inventing a test like this to aide pet parents(Home) Are THEY in the lab researching this stuff???????
And another thing! These are the same vets that will say that there isn't ANY reaction to vaccinations! Seriously???? :mad: This is what started your poor dog on this journey! Your dog = eye goobers, itching, loose stool, sores! AND giving countless drugs that "cover up" not heal the problem!
Has your vet given your dog any shots while he was having the above signs? The box clearly states that they ARE NOT to be given to dogs who are not well!!!! I would call open sores, itching and goobers NOT WELL!
Read these 2 statements: Dr. Jean Dodds:"The veterinary profession and vaccine industry have traditionally emphasized the importance of giving a series of vaccinations to young animals to prevent infectious diseases, to the extent that this practice is considered routine and is generally safe for the majority of animals. Few clinicians are prepared, therefore, for encountering an adverse event and may overlook or even DENY the possibility.Beyond the immediate hypersensitivity reactions, other acute events tend to occur 24 to 72 hours afterward, or 7 to 45 days later in a delayed type immunological response"
Dr. Michael Dym: "What I have seen in my many years of private practice is that distemper and other vaccines administered to prevent acute illness can contribute to symptoms seen in chronic disease and pathologies. Some symptoms often seen in chronic canine illness include chronic runny eyes and conjunctivitis (tear stains in dogs, dry eye, chronic eye allergies); chronic vomiting, diarrhea, appetite issues; emaciation; pancreatitis, inflammatory bowel disease, GI lymphoma; chronic spasms and seizures (epilepsy, brain tumors); skin eruptions and swelling of feet and red feet pads; itching from lifelong skin allergies; and eruptions around the mouth (seen in lip fold dermatitis). That is, adverse reactions from vaccination may mimic symptoms of the very disease the vaccine was meant to prevent. Reactions may occur immediately or months or even years later."
I've personally talked with Dr. Dodds and have had friends marvel at the difference in their dogs after finding out thru the NutriScan what their triggers were. IMO, stick with what you are doing now after the NutriScan. You have a keen sense of what is right.....go with it! Please pm me so that we can discuss.
Don't know if any of these vets (registered with the AHVMA) are close or not:
Dr. Kathy Backus DVM, Universal Healing Services
450 East Burton Lane
AVIAN, EQUINE, FARM, HOUSE CALLS, SMALL ANIMAL
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (IVAS), Applied Kinesiology, Chinese Herbs (IVAS), Chiropractic, Chiropractic (AVCA), Conventional Medicine, NAET, Ozone Therapy
DANCING CATS FELINE HEALTH CENTER
1760 SOUTH 1100 EAST, SUITE 8L
Salt Lake City
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (CSU), Bach Flowers, Clinical Nutrition, Homeopathy, Reiki
ANIMAL CARE CENTER
698 WEST 500 SOUTH
Acupuncture, Acupuncture (CSU), Conventional Medicine
CLEARFIELD VETERINARY CLINIC P.C.
780 S. State Street
AVIAN, EXOTIC, SMALL ANIMAL
Bach Flowers, Chinese Herbs, Chinese Herbs (Chi Institute), Conventional Medicine, Homeopathy, Western Herbs
if your vet is someone that you trust and has worked with you for years, he or she should be willing to work with you to see what happens when you follow the Nutriscan results. If you don't see results, than you can try the cyclosporine and other therapiea that your vet is recommending.
Dr. Jean Dodds is a pioneer in canine therapies and I would personally feel safe using something that she developed - until proven otherwise.
I, myself, was on the verge of purchasing the Nutriscan system for my senior GSD (rescued at age 10) with allergies. My vet and I were able to determine that his were environmental allergies as he had zero gastrointestinal symptoms. He was simply itchy and scratching only his tummy. He is on very low dose Prednisone just three times weekly and Hydroxyzine (antihistamine) three times daily until the weather changes and we get some relief. All of his symptoms stopped with this regimen.
Please go with your gut and give the Nutriscan results a chance to be correct. You will always doubt yourself later if you don't give it a try.
I would go with Nutriscan results. I think you picked good food and hopefully your pup will do well. I love my specialist vet a lot, too, but every time they ask what my dog is eating I say Hill's diet because that's what they insisted. And then the vet tells me how healthy my dog is because of that. My dog is not on any Hill's diet. I will not be wasting my time on arguments that can alienate a vet I like.
Oliver's Mom: Here are some foods that I am keeping in mind just in case Nikki needs a new protein in the future (fingers crossed that won't happen). I don't know much about "Addiction Foods" but maybe someone else has some input.
Rayne Clinical Nutrition is a good company but they do use sweet potatoes in some of their diets.
Go with the results and try it. What could it possibly hurt? Giving prescription meds on the other had can cause problems. Regular drs are the same way with these kinds of tests for humans. Look up the gfcf diet for autism. Lots of drs. Think this is bogus yet it has helped CURE autism. I am using it for my daughter as we speak. Screw the drs. Opinion, go with your gut. Like I said, trying a diet change can't hurt.
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Oliver's mom I say go with you gut. It can't hurt try an elimination diet.
Our girl has rash issues that I believe are food allergies as well. (my vet won't commit to an allergy diagnosis because she is a puppy and keeps telling us it's hormones due to growing :rolleyes:). I was thinking about doing the Nutriscan test but didn't know if it was legit. Thanks for sharing your results.
I decided to try an elimination diet and started with a single protein she had never had...lamb. It seems to working. We are currently using Nature's Variety LID lamb. My girl is doing much better since she has been on it. My concern is after I started on it I discovered that is has a calcium content not less than 2 % which I'm told is to high for a GSD puppy. Unfortunately, it may be our only choice as most LID kibbles have this issue we are finding out. Maybe someone on here knows of affordable kibble with limited ingredients and lower calcium?
I don't know if you use wet (canned food) or not. Wellness has a wet food meant to be a topper or mix in that is 95% pure meat that comes in lamb and beef.
Treats are hard to find with limited ingredients. They are $$$ but Orijen has freeze dried single protein all meat treats. The lamb ones are 100 % pure lamb lung. Our fur baby loves them.
Good luck and health to your boy!
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