Joint Supps (wapiti) and other questions
Anyone familiar with Wapiti Labs Senior Mobility Formula?
Ingred: MN Elk Velvet Antler Extract, Ginseng Root, Lycium Fruit, Cynomorii Rhizome, Morinda Root, Achyranthes Root, Asparagus Root, Astragalus Root, Barley Sprout (Untreated), Chrysanthemum Flowers, Citrus Peel, Curcuma Rhizome, Red Dates, Ophiopogon Root, Salvia Root, Schisandra Fruit, Magnesium Stearate
Dakota is on this (a whim purchase) as well as Nupro Silver (Joint)
Ingred: Glucosamine complex, MSM, Ester-C chelated mineral blend, Norwegian kelp, organic cold-milled ground whole flaxseed, nutritional yeast cultures, desiccated liver, amino acids and enzymes, garlic, calcium citrate, lecithin, and lactobacillus acidophilus
Dakota is popping and cracking and is visibly slow many mornings or after activity. Now, she still is a feisty girl and runs around like a pup when she' sin the mood...she just doesn't recover like she used to. She will be 8 in October.
Kaiser gets the Nupro and one of the Wapiti tablets here and there. He also pops and cracks (started this year) and even though I'm trying not to, I do worry about his hips. I swear he bunny hops every so often. I NEVER see Dakota do this, which is why it stands out. He shows no lameness whatsoever...yet...though there have been days where he is visibly sore (limps) after too much activity.
Thoughts about the Wapiti? The Nupro? As a combo? Suggestions to add/subtract/exchange with other supplements? What about something for Dakota's pain?
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There have recently been a lot of threads about arthritis supplements. I think people ware just weary of posting the same info again, since it's just been covered. Do a search for "arthritis" and you'll find lots of info.
I don't know of any reason that antler would be my first choice as a supplement. What research did you do that led you to buy this supplement? If you have some research re antler helping arthritis, *definitely* post it and share it, as lots of us have seniors.
My thread here has lots of discussion of supplements, but there have been other more recent threads:
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM (must be all 3) does make sense, but you need at least 1500 mg a day, and it's only going to be a mild benefit. I don't see chondroitin in that all-in-one supplement, and the NIH studies on human seniors with arthritic knees that found a benefit with glucosamine only found that benefit when it was paired with chondroitin. My recollection of the study was that there was no benefit to gluc alone. Here's a summary of the study:
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm (NOTE that the benefits seen in gluc/chon together were mild, and only in a small group.)
Ester-C also makes sense, but the doseages that were studied in dogs were high. I doubt you'd get enough from a "combo" supplement. I don't know anything about Nupro, but this gives you an idea of how I would try to reason through the label to decide if it's something I want to try -- each ingredient should have a purpose that makes sense, in amounts that make sense, if you want a combo-product. I generally buy human-grade supplements that are USP-certified so that I know the quality and amounts of active ingredients.
At this point, once a senior visibly slows down and has artritis, I think it's time to consider Adequan therapy. There's a shortage of it so it's hard to start now, unless your vet has a big stockpile of it. There is a generic alternative, and Polyglycan injections are getting similar results. Do a search here on "Adequan" and you'll see lots of discussion -- it's THE game changer for arthritis in senior dogs imho. The improvement when it works is radical--far and away better than any supplement. It's a lot of injections (2xweek for 4 weeks, then stepped down gradually to every other week or 1xmonth, forever) but it got my senior running and playing again.
I appreciate your input. I've read many of the other threads but just end up overwhelmed and going in circles. I was hoping a specific question here would help prompt more specific responses (such as yours).
Ref the antler supplement... honestly i liked the overview of what it was supposed to help with and that it appeared to be a natural product (something I'd prefer to try before drugs). No real other reason to be honest aside from that I knew (or thought) antlers contained minerals that were good for dogs.
The nupro...well...not sold on it either. I know the ingredients are all supposedly good but I'm not sure what the minimum concentration for effectiveness should be (or what each dose, of either product, specifically provides).
I'm not sure we can afford injections now so if there are alternatives we could try I'm very interested. I know tri buffered aspirin can be good for aches but for some reason I'm wary about giving too much or too often.
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