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2yr Old GSD with Weak Pasterns (pictures)

Iím looking for some opinions/advice on my 2 year old male GSD. His pasternís donít look too bad when he is standing but it seems during movement, they weaken\lower too far...... He is also very East-West paw (turned out pasterns).

Does anyone know of exercises/supplements that we could try in order to strengthen his front end (to avoid problems?). I am an honest person so please askÖ. I am just looking to help my GSD live a happier and healthier life.

Info about him: He is 2 years old (yesterday was his birthday) neutered male GSD from West German lines, 85lbs (he is a very good weight for his size), he is fed Acana Large Breed kibble with 2 days per week of Orijien Red Meat (kibble), he receives an Omega 3 gel cap daily, he is not fed table scraps (he is allowed healthy people food but this is moderated, he does get the occasional milkbone as a reward and chicken based hotdogs), we walk 30-45 min 5-6 days per week & he LOVES to track (little brag - he is amazing at it ).

The vet and breeder have said there is not much I can do besides keeping him lean and avoiding jumping (no agility for him).

Picture 1 - Yesterday - in movement

Picture 2 - Yesterday - in movement
Picture 3 - Yesterday - in movement
Picture 4 - Few months ago - standing
Picture 5 - East-West pastern
Picture 6 - East-WEst (very tired after a big hike)
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Gorgeous boy.
He needs to lose some weight, and the best supplement for weak pasterns is a gelatin made by boiling soup bones all day.
Please check this thread, especially the Carmspack post, has a lot of good info in it.
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Thanks!!!

Everyone i have spoken to says he is a good weight. Slim and tight! He is rather tall (taller than standard). A few different breeders have told me to keep him 80-85lbs for his size. How much less would u think he should loose? (Im not disagreeing with you, i just thought he was a good weight -slightly under vet recommendation but not starving) ?!?


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ah ha! lol He has a good waist line from above and from the side by feeling. LOL I always forget that to some others he may look bigger becasue of his coat. He has a great coat (I get comments on it all the time) which makes him look bigger than he actually is. He is kind of 'fluffy' without being plush. He has a major undercoat and has recently been for a bath so he looks even fluffier.

Sorry I forgot to add that to my orginal post (I guess i m just used to it, lol )
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It is just that looking down on him, I don't see that hourglass common to GSD. That is probably what caught sunflowers eye. It caught mine. It could be the coat or angle of pic, I suppose. Make sure you follow the vet's recommendation about exercise. Check out the link.


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Here is a pic of his waistline. Thoughts? 2yr Old GSD with Weak Pasterns (pictures)-imageuploadedbypg-free1370090836.419122.jpg


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My females shape looking down, is pretty close to that. The vet has called her ideal many times.

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there seems to be some swelling immediately above the "wrist" - bilateral . At any point during the fast growth spurt did the dog sit and have the tension of the front leg cause it to buckle , opposite of collapse.

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Here is a pic of his waistline. Thoughts? Attachment 75825


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I honestly don't see much of a waist. I stand by what I said above. At this stage, the puppy needs to be more slim. Especially with downed pasterns.
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a two year old is long out of the puppy stage .
muscle supports ligaments . muscle requires good protein.
the leg is not smooth , there is a bump at the carpus and a bowed effect at the radius or front bone of the forelimb , so there may have been some inflammation at a growth period as you would have with H O D . If the animal was out of sorts , had a bit of a temperature, was super picky about eating , and was sensitive to the leg being squeezed in that area , or careful with itself , as in pano but not shifting those would have been indications. Minor . Some are terribly disforming . During this the pup would have roached his back to distribute the weight . The hocks would have compensated with becoming cow hocked . There is only one picture of the dog standing sideways and here he shows the hocks well under , picture 4 and in picture 3 walking away the hocks are close and parallel to each other , looking a bit on the weak side whereas in the walk one should be going to mid and the other pushing outward . It may just be the step sequence caught by the camera, or think of a supported bunny hop type movement.

I would think some anti inflammatory might be good for the dog and something to support ligament and cartilage . MSM , probiotics , whole vitamin C , micro and trace minerals. These are all in the arsenal of Great Dane breeders where this H O D in not uncommon.

Inflammation could have been from a virus or vaccination , a vaccine mediated immune response. The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies | Dogs Naturally Magazine

If you want to see for yourself , when you have the dog x rayed for hips and elbows do the pastern - carpus ( wrist )area also . If there has been inflammation there will be a cuff .

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