GSD keeps getting abscess infections on his face

jikkyo · 03-22-2013, 06:14 PM

My GSD has a repeating issue with having bad infections under the fur of his head/snout that turn into nasty abscesses. His face is swollen again and I'm 100% it's another abscess. This is the 3rd time this has happened. The first time the skin above the abscess died and needed surgery to remove. Both times he's been on Clava-Septin and it has proven ineffective at completely removing the bacteria.

Should I try a new medication? I'm at a loss as far as what to do, but this problem won't go away. Any input would be appreciated.

wolfstraum · 03-22-2013, 06:19 PM

he may have dirty teeth or a tooth with some low grade infection...I would ask that the vet culture the matter in the abcess and try to pinpoint what bacteria it is and what is the most appropriate antibiotic....or find a vet who suggests doing that!

lee

**Castlemaid** · 03-22-2013, 06:30 PM

I'm thinking what Lee is thinking - the source of the abscess could be from a bad tooth - may need to have it removed.

Instead of just treating the infection, I would look for a vet that would work with you in trying to find the source of the infection, and deal with it at that level.

GatorBytes · 03-22-2013, 06:40 PM

My dog had pustules all over his snout...I applied goldenseal tea compresses (soothing and kills bacteria)

Internally ~ natural B-complex supplement...B's work together - you can suppliment additional B3 along w/b-complex - look for a "No-flush" version and the B-complex in natural form will have B12 in the form of "methylcobalamin" NOT "cyanocobalamin" (sythetic version)

I use New Roots ultra B50 and was all I needed for my dog w/o additional B3

Knowing the Benefits of Niacin and Niacinamide for Your Dog - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

Niacinamide is commonly used to treat certain autoimmune or immune mediated skin problems in dogs. It may help a greater lowering of blood pressure as well. It can also be very helpful to treat ocular diseases like conjunctivitis which is also known as pink eye.

Niacinamide for use in canines, along with tetracycline, can help in the relief of pemphigus complex. This is a condition that affects your dogs' skin, in the form of skin blisters.

Vitamin B3 may help in fight against staph infections, ?superbugs? | News & Research Communications | Oregon State University

Also a great supplement for overall health (GI, immune, skin, etc.) is Bovine Colostrum

I am using AOR (brand) 1-500mg. 2x/day 1/2 hr or mare before meals

Grinding up some raw organic pumpkin seeds and adding to food will also provide zinc/copper - also good for immune support and skin and hair health

Pumpkin Seeds: A Natural Solution For Worms | Dogs Naturally Magazine

DexterNukem · 03-22-2013, 06:50 PM

Odd, but when I worked at a dental office, we had a patient who's dog had an abscess. (We took out the tooth and learne a lot about puppy hygiene). As with any teeth, if there is an infection, antibiotics will only temporarily resolve the issue. The cause would still be there if its dental. Like everyone else is saying, I'd look for the root cause and resolve it that way.

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jikkyo · 03-22-2013, 06:59 PM

Should I give my original vets another try and ask them to look into it further? I have found another vet in my area that's also highly regarded on the web, but not sure what the proper "etiquette" is here.

GatorBytes · 03-22-2013, 07:05 PM

How old is your dog and what does it eat... do yo vaccinate annually - use HW/spot on prevention?

check his teeth, if there is no inflammation around, or tartar - then look systemically at what you are putting into or on the dog as well as what you may need to boost the immune system

abx aren't always the answer, certainly not long term fine to fight acute infection, but treat from the inside out - especially if it is auto-immune condition

**jocoyn** · 03-22-2013, 07:14 PM

I went round and round with a recurring abscess - vet swore it was not the tooth. Went to second tooth who found the cracked tooth, pulled it and viola no more problems

jikkyo · 03-22-2013, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorBytes

How old is your dog and what does it eat... do yo vaccinate annually - use HW/spot on prevention?

check his teeth, if there is no inflammation around, or tartar - then look systemically at what you are putting into or on the dog as well as what you may need to boost the immune system

abx aren't always the answer, certainly not long term fine to fight acute infection, but treat from the inside out - especially if it is auto-immune condition

He's 3 years old and eats Canidae ALS. I don't vaccinate annually. He has many health issues not counting the repeating infections. Last year, I discovered that he has Masticatory Myositis and an enlarged heart that is prone to heart failure. Somehow, he also had liquid collecting in his lungs/stomach.

The medication (Prednisone) he was on for MM was suppose to suppress his immune system which my vet believes caused the infection the first time. He's been off Prednisone for a few months now and I've seen no issues with his jaw bothering him. The first two infections has been above his left eye. This one is right on the left jaw line. His teeth looks fine, but his mouth is shut pretty tight right now and I can't open it without it hurting him.

I just got off the phone with my vet's office and I guess they forgot to pass on the message I left last night for them to call me. I have two vets on my file and both of them are out of office. So I may have to wait until tomorrow for a call back...

GatorBytes · 03-22-2013, 07:30 PM

Geez - poor doggie

Here is a read on colostrum
Colostrum Article in the American Journal of Natural Medicine | SynertekColostrum.com

Have you considered a holistic vet...a memebr on here is suffering form lock jaw (from a tooth extraction) and I provided some info that might help - for your dog as a consideration under the care of holistic vet of course...the thread is under chat room forum that has the links...one herb called cramp bark - try to find the link (not sure of safe in dogs)

another consideration is magnesium - this is important for over 300 processes in the body and incl. smooth muscle contraction.

there is also an enzyme called serratiopeptidase which is touted to break up fibrous tissue, cysts - things to look into

aside from the serra and cramp bark without advisement form a vet -
I would be confident in the suggestion of colostrum, b-complex and magnesium

03-22-2013, 06:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
jikkyo New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 23	GSD keeps getting abscess infections on his face My GSD has a repeating issue with having bad infections under the fur of his head/snout that turn into nasty abscesses. His face is swollen again and I'm 100% it's another abscess. This is the 3rd time this has happened. The first time the skin above the abscess died and needed surgery to remove. Both times he's been on Clava-Septin and it has proven ineffective at completely removing the bacteria. Should I try a new medication? I'm at a loss as far as what to do, but this problem won't go away. Any input would be appreciated.

03-22-2013, 06:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,293	he may have dirty teeth or a tooth with some low grade infection...I would ask that the vet culture the matter in the abcess and try to pinpoint what bacteria it is and what is the most appropriate antibiotic....or find a vet who suggests doing that! lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

03-22-2013, 06:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Castlemaid The Administrator from the Great White North, eh? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 11,300	I'm thinking what Lee is thinking - the source of the abscess could be from a bad tooth - may need to have it removed. Instead of just treating the infection, I would look for a vet that would work with you in trying to find the source of the infection, and deal with it at that level. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH

03-22-2013, 06:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
GatorBytes Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Southern Ontario Posts: 2,228	My dog had pustules all over his snout...I applied goldenseal tea compresses (soothing and kills bacteria) Internally ~ natural B-complex supplement...B's work together - you can suppliment additional B3 along w/b-complex - look for a "No-flush" version and the B-complex in natural form will have B12 in the form of "methylcobalamin" NOT "cyanocobalamin" (sythetic version) I use New Roots ultra B50 and was all I needed for my dog w/o additional B3 Knowing the Benefits of Niacin and Niacinamide for Your Dog - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com Niacinamide is commonly used to treat certain autoimmune or immune mediated skin problems in dogs. It may help a greater lowering of blood pressure as well. It can also be very helpful to treat ocular diseases like conjunctivitis which is also known as pink eye. Niacinamide for use in canines, along with tetracycline, can help in the relief of pemphigus complex. This is a condition that affects your dogs' skin, in the form of skin blisters. Vitamin B3 may help in fight against staph infections, ?superbugs? \| News & Research Communications \| Oregon State University Also a great supplement for overall health (GI, immune, skin, etc.) is Bovine Colostrum I am using AOR (brand) 1-500mg. 2x/day 1/2 hr or mare before meals Grinding up some raw organic pumpkin seeds and adding to food will also provide zinc/copper - also good for immune support and skin and hair health Pumpkin Seeds: A Natural Solution For Worms \| Dogs Naturally Magazine __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. - Unknown

03-22-2013, 06:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
DexterNukem New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 14	GSD keeps getting abscess infections on his face Odd, but when I worked at a dental office, we had a patient who's dog had an abscess. (We took out the tooth and learne a lot about puppy hygiene). As with any teeth, if there is an infection, antibiotics will only temporarily resolve the issue. The cause would still be there if its dental. Like everyone else is saying, I'd look for the root cause and resolve it that way. Sent from Petguide.com Free App

03-22-2013, 06:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
jikkyo New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 23	Should I give my original vets another try and ask them to look into it further? I have found another vet in my area that's also highly regarded on the web, but not sure what the proper "etiquette" is here.

03-22-2013, 07:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
GatorBytes Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Southern Ontario Posts: 2,228	How old is your dog and what does it eat... do yo vaccinate annually - use HW/spot on prevention? check his teeth, if there is no inflammation around, or tartar - then look systemically at what you are putting into or on the dog as well as what you may need to boost the immune system abx aren't always the answer, certainly not long term fine to fight acute infection, but treat from the inside out - especially if it is auto-immune condition __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. - Unknown

03-22-2013, 07:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 12,075	I went round and round with a recurring abscess - vet swore it was not the tooth. Went to second tooth who found the cracked tooth, pulled it and viola no more problems __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

03-22-2013, 07:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
GatorBytes Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Southern Ontario Posts: 2,228	Geez - poor doggie Here is a read on colostrum Colostrum Article in the American Journal of Natural Medicine \| SynertekColostrum.com Have you considered a holistic vet...a memebr on here is suffering form lock jaw (from a tooth extraction) and I provided some info that might help - for your dog as a consideration under the care of holistic vet of course...the thread is under chat room forum that has the links...one herb called cramp bark - try to find the link (not sure of safe in dogs) another consideration is magnesium - this is important for over 300 processes in the body and incl. smooth muscle contraction. there is also an enzyme called serratiopeptidase which is touted to break up fibrous tissue, cysts - things to look into aside from the serra and cramp bark without advisement form a vet - I would be confident in the suggestion of colostrum, b-complex and magnesium __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. - Unknown

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