Do probiotics expire?

[Apoolutz]

I've been reading lately that some people give their dogs probiotics daily so I wanted to start, I found some in the cabinet that I've used for when niko was on antibiotics before but I can't find an expiration date anywhere, theirs at least 2-3 years old, do u think their still good or should I toss and get new, hate to throw away as its a fews weeks worth left.

[doggiedad]

i say toss them. the best probiotics are the ones found
refrigerator section.

[carmspack]

use them , just don't expect maximum results


if the probiotics are dry they are not activated -- but they are living things and do expire -- probiotics should be given with pre-biotics (chickory root , burdock root as examples) and a digestive enzyme -- which ensures that the probiotics get to where they should be -- this according to two Nobel prize winners who specialized in digestive enzymes and gastro-enterology (probiotics) .

[Doc]

Originally Posted by carmspack

use them , just don't expect maximum results


if the probiotics are dry they are not activated -- but they are living things and do expire -- probiotics should be given with pre-biotics (chickory root , burdock root as examples) and a digestive enzyme -- which ensures that the probiotics get to where they should be -- this according to two Nobel prize winners who specialized in digestive enzymes and gastro-enterology (probiotics) .

Would the trifecta approach be used for dogs diagnosed with EPI? Usually vets prescribe digestive enzymes, do the pre and probiotics have a symbiotic relationship with the enzymes. Is FeedSentials a combination produce? I have seen good results using Prozymes in EPI dogs but wonder if the additional biotics would help.

[carmspack]

the "trifecta" is in the
Sunday Sundae which also has bromelain, papain, betaine, and rutin and MSM -- so good for many things -

[carmspack]

One of the Nobel prize winners was Dr Arthur Kornberg who won the award in 1959 . His son Roger also won a Nobel (2006) for research in the same field - how cells communicate , whether it becomes normal or not and becomes a runaway cancerous cell. This can't help but get to be a very complicated answer as these studies lead to epigenetics which is the area of research one of my friends specializes in .
So I give you this
The Way Up Newsletter - Enzyme therapy

and this " Processed and overcooked foods have been stripped of the natural enzymes that originally existed, and the pancreas is forced to work beyond its capacity to break down digested proteins. Cancer cells also use a protein shield to cloak themselves and avoid detection from the immune system. Protease enzymes help destroy the protein bond around cancer clusters so the body can destroy developing tumor wall structures and thwart cancer initiation.

Evidence developed in European clinical trials and published in the journal Integrative Cancer Therapies explains that natural enzymes such as bromelain and papain provide a significant improvement in the outcome of alternative therapies to treat breast and colon cancers. The authors concluded that the enzyme mixture demonstrated potent anti-inflammatory, anti-infectious and antitumor/anti-metastatic activity."

We are seeing more and more dogs with cancer , with digestive problems, allergies, malabsorption , and part of that , I believe, has to do with the historically recent practice of feeding processed, mineral poor , inappropriate , isolate and chemical - non - foods , and to top it off have the life cooked right out of it - enzyme deficient "dead" food called kibble which has a compounding affect on each and every generation , each one having more difficulty.
That goes for ourselves too .
"NaturalNews) Enzymes are more important than vitamins and minerals for general health. Without enzymes, vitamins and minerals are useless. Enzymes are catalysts for metabolic processes and digestion. A catalyst initiates a chemical process without being part of the resultant product.

Many NaturalNews readers are familiar with digestive enzymes that absorb nutrients from foods when they enter the small intestine. The enzymes provided by both wholesome raw foods and the pancreas go to work. Most standard American diets (SAD), consisting of processed or over-cooked food like substances, lack enzymes.

So the pancreas has to work harder producing the enzymes necessary for normal digestion. Eating more raw veggies and fruits as well as juicing allows enzymes inherent in real food to assist the process of digestion and assimilation of nutrients. Of course, digestive enzymes are also available as supplements.

But there is a function beyond digestion for enzymes that is mostly unknown in the Americas, Australia, and the UK. They can also be utilized for many therapeutic purposes ranging from treating physical injuries to battling cancer and chronic diseases. (1)


Proteolytic enzymes or protease

Proteolytic enzymes or protease can be used, in part, to digest complete proteins that are in meat. Yet, outside of meals, they have been harnessed for a multitude of healing processes, sometimes exclusively and sometimes in conjunction with other therapies. When not used for digestion in the small intestines, these enzymes are free to roam through the blood stream seeking to break down hard protein, fibrin surfaces, scar tissue, granuloma, and even cancer cells' tough coatings. (1)

In Europe and Japan, proteolytic enzymes or protease are used to speed up healing from bodily injury or surgery. They've been doing this for years, incorporating enzyme therapies with mainstream medicine.

But in the USA, UK, and other Anglo nations, most doctors are ignorant of this approach, or reluctant to use anything not FDA approved. Of course, enzymes are not patentable. Fortunately, enzymes for both digestion and healing (when ingested apart from meals) are readily available in health food stores and online."

You asked about the dog with EPI -- seems like it needs metabolic / disgestive enzymes so that the pancreas won't go completely bankrupt supplying enzymes when the food does not.
So my morning began with Kornberg . Then very very late that day (of actually the morn of the following) I sat down to a discussion with another Nobel prize winner - gastroenterolgist probiotics specialist Dr Borody who was awarded the Nobel for his research on h pylorii . His newest therapy is implanting probiotic bacteria through fecal transplantion.

The digestive system is a very complex world unto itself , a biosome , and the health of that biosome affects our immune system , our freedom from inflamation, chronic illness , longevity.

[Doc]

So in your opinion, is it better to treat EPI with a combination of products or just digestive enzymes? We know the enzymes help but do you think a broader approach (biotics and enzymes) is a better approach for treating EPI?