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kat I don't know( It may go into detail on the website I posted, I didn't go thru the whole thing..

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I have a friend that lost a promising young gsd to this disease here in Florida. It is most prevalent along the gulf coast region of the US. Obviously it is being seen in other less common area. I also know of several other gsd in this part of FL that were tested and found to be either positive or borderline for this fungus.

It is very scary how fast this can progress.

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WOW, ive never heard this before, thanks for the info.
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We obviously cannot avoid ponds or lakes or swamps. I gather we just keep a strong immune system and give a bath after getting home from searches involving same. I will be looking for more and am training Beau not to drink any ground water. Period. But part of scentwork *is* tasting the water which he has to do. Eeeeek.

We have been more selective about swamp searches in the lowcountry for HRD at least for our own safety and that of our dogs. When someone has to accompany you will a high powered gun less a wild boar charge or an alligator attack...

But I grew up in Central Florida and had enough high school friends loose dogs to gators to know. Dog + Waters Edge = Its over -- Those suckers can MOVE. Closest I ever came to loosing it was when Grim flew into a drainage ditch in the SC low country to cool down and it was too steep for him to get out. Two firemen made a chain and pulled him out by his neck and QUICK.

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From this article - http://www.nativeremedies.com/petali...ncer-dogs.html
"Regardless of the fact that water is utmost necessary for the survival, we have paid little regard to this natural source of life. As long as the water around us is polluted, the only prevention that we can take for our pets is to keep them away from potentially infected water. It is also recommended that dogs should not be allowed to drink from puddles and ponds. Even if this care can be taken, dogs still face a risk from contaminated grass that has come in contact with contaminated water.

It is improbable that we will be able to keep hunter dogs away from swamps and stagnant waters. Unless we take efforts to make our planet greener and avoid polluting the atmosphere and water, it seems that we may have to be careful of the contamination that exists."


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A local dog died from systemic pythiosis about 5 years ago. It was a very difficult diagnosis since it was somewhat a disease of exclusion at the time. Many vets had never heard of it and by the time they realized what it was, not much could be done. It is good for owners and veterinarians to be aware that this disease is a possibility!

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We obviously cannot avoid ponds or lakes or swamps. I gather we just keep a strong immune system and give a bath after getting home from searches involving same.
I think this is a wise assessment. We cannot nor should we keep our dogs from the things that make canine life so joyful in an attempt to prevent rare diseases. I have a small pond on my farm that one of my dogs swims in quite frequently. I work to keep it from becoming stagnant, but it is by no means 'clean'. Then again he eats raw hunks of meat at every meal, bits of decomposing animals he finds and plenty of small animal poo on our hikes or while I'm working outside.

Something worth noting is the dog I knew who succumbed to pythiosis became symptomatic not long after a rabies vaccine. Makes sense considering fungal infections are opportunistic and vaccinations may temporarily cause immunosuppression.
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True. I am surprised when a team member brings a dog to training and hands me a copy of the vaccine records (I am team secretary) and their dog had a DHLPP AND the rabies shot on the same day along with bordatella for good measure AND they are out training. Some have thrown in Lyme.

Many hunting dogs have natural immunity to this fungus I gather. I may be more vigilant with giving homemade kefir too as it has GOOD fungi in addition to GOOD bacteria to help fight the bad boys.

I pretty much don't exercise my dogs the day of any shot then keep it low key for about a week or two. No training or working off of my property. Well we are not due for Rabies until 2015 for Beau and Grim (9.5 years old) may just go under the radar. He is old and does not leave my property anymore very much. Certainly he is not running around in the woods like Beau is. Given the greater reaction of the rabies I may just take Beau out of commission for 3 weeks. 3 weeks, every three years is not so much. So far he has had no vaccination issues.

I knew several cadaver dogs that worked Katrina died of "cancer" shortly thereafter as did one who extensively worked Floyd.

I posted on another thread about the vet getting me lepto nosodes. I am being open - I don't know what if any value they will have for prevention but I still think the first line is due diligence. Many of these emerging tropical diseases are impacting us! West Nile, Dengue, Chagas, I never knew about these things 15 years ago.

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I want to revive this thread to add that our rescue in Louisiana just lost a 1 y.o., healthy male dog to this disease. His only symptom was persistent vomiting -- which led to xrays and an ultrasound. They were both ambiguous--not consistent with a blockage, but "something" was there. That led to exploratory surgery....and the grim discovery. He had to be euthanized on the table.

Our dog's was in an inoperable part of the duodenum. The vet showed me what she pulled out of him -- the intestine was BLACK. She said of the four cases she's seen in her career, only one was in an operable part of the intestine (and that one lived). This fungus likes to attach to places in the intestine that can't be removed, unfortunately.

What I found especially scary is that no one can say how long it takes after exposure to sicken a dog (days, weeks, or even many months...). It's a very mysterious fungus.

If you suspect exposure, there is now a diagnostic blood test for Pythium that can be done through the lab at Louisiana State University's vet school. (I believe it's the only place offering it.) It costs about $75 to have them run the test on a sample sent in. Dr. Grooters at LSU is the world's leading researcher on this disease -- here's her information in case anyone ever needs to pass it on to your own vet, for a request for consultation:
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Thank you for this info Magwort. I am very sorry to hear of the loss of your dog.

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I live on the Gulf Coast and I wonder if this is the same Fungus that we are all warned about with open wounds and going into the water.

So scary. I am going to be way more vigilant about where Titan plays in water, he loves it so much so I know I can't just strip that from him all together. Thank you for bumping this thread, I hadn't seen it before.

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