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M&J 12-22-2012 01:25 PM

Found out a few minutes ago Rudy has this. Going back today for more tests.........urine culture, xrays, ultrasound if needed, and full tick panel. Vet said she is going to start doxy regardless.

Any experience or tips for diet? Vet mentioned kidney diet, but I know those are crappy.

I'm a little frazzled so bear with me. This was totally unexpected.

Thanks for any help. Vet did say so far he isn't in kidney failure. What set it off was low albium (sp?) in blood panel and blood in urine. Another # was as 7, but should be at .2? I don't think she said it was creatnine level, it was something else.

RebelGSD 12-22-2012 06:40 PM

No experience, but I think people can get it too. You can rad up on the human literature.

M&J 12-22-2012 07:51 PM

Thanks, Rebel. The best we can hope for right now is to lower his UPC number and stave off eventual kidney failure for as long as possible. I'm on the yahoo group for kidney diets, waiting for some feedback there.
Hope all is well with you!

Alfiesmama 12-23-2012 01:57 AM

M & J - Join the k9kidney group. My old boy was a CRF dog. The knowledge and recipes are superior to that of the k9kitchen group. The protein restriction is much greater for a dog with GN than a CRF dog. 18-21% - lower if necessary to bring the UPC number down. What is his UPC num from the urinanalysis ? How much protein was in his urine ? Was his blood pressure checked ? Has an ace inhibitor ie benazapril been recommended ?? Is he concentrating his urine ? What is his current albumin level ? Has aspirin been recommended ? What about his BUN/creatinine lvls ?
Obtain copies of all the bw, urinanalysis, etc. Once you have all copies - create a file on the K9Kidney group ( spreadsheet is available in the files in the group ). itll be important to know his numbers as aceis may cause initial spike in bun/creatinine after first starting dose ( may need to be adjusted ). It is overwhelming at first but youll learn alot on this journey... more importantly if it is GN...GN or PLN are both very manageable and wont necessarily lead to CRF.

M&J 12-23-2012 06:44 AM

I can't thank you enough. I joined k9kidneydiet and will join k9kidney, as well. Thank you.

His UPC is 7.7. Vet hopes to cut that in half, or close to it.
BUN 25
Creatnine 1.4
Protein 4+
Blood pressure is 110
Albium 2.1
WBC 7.3
He has been given baby aspirin, enalapril, fish oil, and a kidney diet food.
I also have him on zeel, traumeel, cetyl M, hyaluronic acid, and gly/chon/MSM for his hips.

I know enalapril can raise kidney values. It happened with a past dog, so I will watch that like a hawk. Vet said it may have to be adjusted up or down.

Waiting for a urine culture and tick panel to come back. X rays clear.

This was all found when I had a chem panel done so he could have a dental. He has a dental disease and his teeth are bad, no matter what I do.

The vet sent me home with a sample of Hill's KD, but I know I can do better than that. This morning I gave him a cup of the Hill's, but put a half cup of Acana with it. I keep reading conflicting reports of how much protein he should have. Some say just moderate, some say low. I figured I would take the average until I can get in the groove of this.
I didn't realize this was manageable. You've made my day.

Is there a food you would recommend in the meantime? I've heard Royal Canin makes a KD food, as does Purina. It's by prescription. But if I can do better, I'm all over it.

I'm going to shoot for below the 18%protein you mentioned. Phosphorous should be below .6, as well.

Any supplements to help support him?

M&J 12-23-2012 08:53 AM

I'm trying to schedule a consult to get a homecooked diet menu/recipes for Rudy. It probably won't be for a few weeks.

In the meantime, I found Canine Caviar Special Needs has 18% protein, phos .6. If I can track down a bag, I may mix it with the prescription Purina or Royal Can. Both are 14% or below (maybe 12%). I know I shouldn't mix foods, but I am concerned 12% is too low. I plan to supplement with Tripet canned tripe.

Still waiting for approval for one list.

M&J 12-26-2012 06:13 PM

Have an app't with a kidney specialist tomorrow. I'll post what we find so everyone can use this thread if, God forbid, they need it in the future.

M&J 02-18-2013 10:40 AM

Just got the results of Rudy's first blood work since he was diagnosed. Nothing short of miraculous...

The vet was *hoping* for a 25%, maybe 50% reduction in his UP/C. It went from 7.7 to 1.3!!!! Well over 50%.

BUN went from 25 to 8. Creatnine from 1.4 to 1.2 (I think). Alb still low, but did go up from 2.1 to 2.3.

Not sure what did it, and I know he will always have this disease, but I can't help but think the homecooking had a huge part in just how far down those numbers went.

msvette2u 02-18-2013 10:47 AM

I'm sure it did!!
My foster home is feeding this, now, to her dogs, one of whom is in kidney failure - Dr. Harvey's - Fine Health Foods for Companion Animals

And her dog's kidney values are returned to normal!

Nigel 02-18-2013 10:56 AM

Sounds like good news! I've never heard of this before, I'll need to read up.

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