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Bunky15420 11-17-2012 10:08 PM

Eye Problem?
 
:help:Our l year old female german shepherd has been displaying odd behavior. This is our 3rd shepherd and it seems there may be an eye problem. If we are over
6 feet away from her, sometimes she will look up and not recognize us, and
bark and charge at us. As soon as we speak, she backs off and looks guilty and goes to lay down. The other night, my daughter and I came home in the
dark, and my husband opened up the door and let her out. She charged at us
and I bent over and snarled at her (playing, I thought) and she ran and yelped
like a scared little kid. It was funny at first, but then concern. Is there something wrong here? She's been doing this now for over 6 months. Thanks
for any insight anyone can offer.

Just a note: she's a beautiful, sweet, affectionate, well behaved dog. She learns
quickly but is a bit more active than our last two.

Stosh 11-17-2012 10:32 PM

You might want to take her to an opthamologist. Unfortunately, general vets are pretty limited with instruments that can detect eye problems.

GatorBytes 11-18-2012 12:32 AM

This sounds like rabies vaccinosis. Did she have a rabies vaccine 6 months ago, or that w/ other series?

Bunky15420 11-18-2012 09:16 AM

Eye Problem
 
She is up to date on all her shots, visits the vet every 6 months. Healthy in all
respects. Just this quirk.

Courtney 11-18-2012 09:59 AM

Time for a vet visit. I would also want to rule out tick disease...of course her eyes should be checked as well.

doggiedad 11-18-2012 10:47 AM

when you visit the Vet are they doing blood work? if i thought
my dog was having eye problems i would take him to an
eye doctor. if my dog was displaying behaviour issues like
yours i would find a behaviourist. check out an eye doctor
and a behaviourist. good luck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunky15420 (Post 2632796)
She is up to date on all her shots, visits the vet every 6 months. Healthy in all
respects. Just this quirk.


GatorBytes 11-18-2012 11:10 AM

I am not seeing the correlation of this behaviour with an eye problem. Of the senses sight is the weakest, Smell and hearing are the dogs strongest senses, dogs do not actually see as well as us and their sight is better at dusk then any other time of day.

Your dog would recognize the sound and smell of you before the sight of you a block or two away.

This sounds neurological, hence why I asked about shots. Possible your dog is suffering from vaccinosis....a vaccine reaction. This started 6 months ago. IS that when she had it done - rabies that is. It doesn't always manifest as a visible reaction in an hour, day or week....symptoms can come on later months later. That is why it is usally poo poo'd as a cause and dismissed. Vaccine reactions are severily under reported do to this.

Vaccine's contain harmful adjuvants to stimulate the immune system. These things such as aluminum (all vax.), mercury (in rabies), Formaldhyde, MSG, can cause neurotoxicity. Aluminum can pass the blood brain barrier (not too many things that can), where it stays.

This could also be a symptom of MDR-1 mutation. There is a gene which is responsible for removing harmful drug deposits from the brain. In an MDR-1 dog, this is not possible. This can lead to a seizure disorder, and I would think aluminum and mercury would be right up there in this type of disorder...may exacerbate.

Now some are going to jump on here and say it is prodominantly a Collie disorder, but it is a "herding" breed disorder, and it is likely due to GSD's not falling into this category, that people are not advised by vets to test for. Again, under reported. So vets manage Idiopathic seizure disorders with drugs, but still stick vacccines in them.

One of the causes of MDR-1 reaction is Ivermectin or type of, such as found in heartguard, revolution etc. and is on the "confirmed" list of MDR-1...as well as some other that do not contain these and fall under the "suspect" list. To note, this doesn't have to have an immediate reaction either, this can build up over time.

I will dig up some articles for you to consider on the subject of vaccinosis and MDR-1

Seizures come in different forms...not always grand mal, they can be petite mal....such as frozen on the spot and staring w/o recognition...any staggering in your dog?

doggiedad 11-18-2012 11:32 AM

Collies and GSD's are herding dogs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorBytes (Post 2632857)
I am not seeing the correlation of this behaviour with an eye problem. Of the senses sight is the weakest, Smell and hearing are the dogs strongest senses, dogs do not actually see as well as us and their sight is better at dusk then any other time of day.

Your dog would recognize the sound and smell of you before the sight of you a block or two away.

This sounds neurological, hence why I asked about shots. Possible your dog is suffering from vaccinosis....a vaccine reaction. This started 6 months ago. IS that when she had it done - rabies that is. It doesn't always manifest as a visible reaction in an hour, day or week....symptoms can come on later months later. That is why it is usally poo poo'd as a cause and dismissed. Vaccine reactions are severily under reported do to this.

Vaccine's contain harmful adjuvants to stimulate the immune system. These things such as aluminum (all vax.), mercury (in rabies), Formaldhyde, MSG, can cause neurotoxicity. Aluminum can pass the blood brain barrier (not too many things that can), where it stays.

This could also be a symptom of MDR-1 mutation. There is a gene which is responsible for removing harmful drug deposits from the brain. In an MDR-1 dog, this is not possible. This can lead to a seizure disorder, and I would think aluminum and mercury would be right up there in this type of disorder...may exacerbate.

>>>>> Now some are going to jump on here and say it is prodominantly a Collie disorder, but it is a "herding" breed disorder, and it is likely due to GSD's not falling into this category,<<<<<

that people are not advised by vets to test for. Again, under reported. So vets manage Idiopathic seizure disorders with drugs, but still stick vacccines in them.

One of the causes of MDR-1 reaction is Ivermectin or type of, such as found in heartguard, revolution etc. and is on the "confirmed" list of MDR-1...as well as some other that do not contain these and fall under the "suspect" list. To note, this doesn't have to have an immediate reaction either, this can build up over time.

I will dig up some articles for you to consider on the subject of vaccinosis and MDR-1

Seizures come in different forms...not always grand mal, they can be petite mal....such as frozen on the spot and staring w/o recognition...any staggering in your dog?


GatorBytes 11-18-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggiedad (Post 2632876)
Collies and GSD's are herding dogs.

Hence why I brought it up. However some will jump on this thread to dissect my comment that it is so rare in GSD's and is more a Collie breed issue, therefore negating form the possibility and giving any an all who read this a false sense of security...

I should have been clearer by what I meant - not falling into "that" category:)...I clicked submit instead of preview

Here is a list of percentages http://miniaussierescue.org/BusterAl...fo%20Sheet.pdf

huntergreen 11-18-2012 01:22 PM

gator has some good points. first place to start is with your vet. could be an eye problem, but a neuro problem seems more likely. could even be her hearing.


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