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Simplicef and Temeril and having accidents

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#1 ·
My puppy is on simplicef and Temeril for an infection he has. He started peeing in his crate and in the house again-- hasn't done so for 2 months-- are these meds a diuretic? Couldn't find anything online...


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#2 ·
Temaril-P

Temaril-P® (Brand)


Who should not take it?
Not for use in animals hypersensitive (allergic) to the ingredients. Bacterial infections need to be controlled with antibiotics before/while using trimeprazine with prednisolone. Not for use in animals with systemic fungal infections, some types of mange (mites), stomach ulcers, Cushing's disease, high blood pressure, kidney disease, or congestive heart failure.Do not use in pregnant animals. May cause premature birth. Can cause birth defects in dogs, rabbits, and rodents. If on long-term therapy, do not discontinue the drug abruptly, since it may cause signs of Addison's disease, such as vomiting, weakness, collapse, and sudden death. Taper off the dose over several days.

What side effects may be seen when taking Temaril-P?
Side effects are usually dose dependent. If side effects occur, contact your veterinarian, who may decrease the dosage or frequency of administration. Side effects may include sedation, exposed third eyelid, muscle tremors, weakness, blood disorders, and an increase in drinking, eating, and urinating. Your pet may have more "accidents" and need to go outside or use the litter box more often. Less common side effects include increased appetite, weight gain, panting, diarrhea, vomiting, and behavior changes.
Side effects of long-term use include muscle loss, weakness, and the development of diabetes or hyperadrenocorticism (Cushing's disease). The typical signs of these diseases are increased thirst, urination, and appetite. Animals with Cushing's disease may also develop thin skin, a poor hair coat, and a "pot-belly."
Immune system suppression may occur, especially on higher doses, making a pet more susceptible to infection. Contact your veterinarian if your pet has a fever (over 103° F), painful urination (a sign of urinary tract infection), tiredness, and sneezing, coughing, or runny eyes.
If your pet has an allergic reaction to the medication, signs may include facial swelling, hives, scratching, sudden onset of diarrhea, vomiting, shock, seizures, pale gums, cold limbs, or coma. If you observe any of these signs, contact your veterinarian immediately.

Sounds like a great drug to use in a puppy:(
 
#4 ·
I agree. I'm disgusted. I will NEVER give this to him again. We have such trust in our vet, I didn't question it - he's always been pretty conservative in what he prescribes. I was very upset after reading more on this and you can't even stop its use - it needs to be slowly scaled down. Never ever again. Thanks for the info.
 
#5 ·
I hope your puppy is o.k. and the urinating is the worst of it. SOME Veterinarians script based on the drug company that fineses them at the time...so if Merck, or phizer or whomever offers the best discount or perks...the salespeople who promote these drugs are working and earning a living, literature is given to the vet for consideration....do they read it? or do they just script because "if it's allowed to be sold it must be fine"... Thanks to the internet, the pet owners have the means to research before making decisions...

Your thread is an example of why I am so motivated to post with alternatives...not because Vets are bad, but because not all are perfect, and like doctors...they cannot know it all...Most vets are general practioners...

So what is wrong with your doggie, what type of infection/where?
 
#6 · (Edited)
Not sure if it is a skin allergy - we know it is not mites, fleas or anything like that. But he has had a skin infection -- looks very similar to a staph infection -- on and off since we got him in July. We've seen two vets, both have said they think he has been bitten by something and then he continues to scratch which gets it infected and spreads. The ABx have worked in the past so they are not thinking its a food allergy (which was my original thought). This last time we tried doing some things we had read online to avoid ABx (I hate to give them to him - besides the side effects, even more, the long term effects of what it does to your gut, etc.) so we tried using over the counter topical cream, peroxide to dry it out, etc. I think the infection was too far along at that point and we needed antibiotics. My plan now is to give him either fish oil and/or coconut oil daily with his dinner (if you have recommendations on how much for a 50 lb. puppy, please let me know), we have a medicated shampoo, and just whenever we think he might be scratching keep a very close eye to make sure it doesn’t spread and we get it under control early. The abx just perpetuate bad health to me, but it’s unavoidable at certain times and so I think we just need to be even more proactive…

The infection was all over his stomach and chest and spread into his armpits.
 
#7 ·
Fish body oil 1000mg to start - others may say it is safe to give per 10pds. of weight, but fish oil is blood thinning....look for a brand that contains vit. e already.

Coconut oil (I use Nutiva - has to be raw, cold pressed, organic), 1tsp. per 10lbs of body weight - so about 2 tblsps. for 50lbs. introduce slowly at 1 tsp and add a tsp. every few days...gauge what you feel comfortable with, as all dogs are different...

This is also helpful for balancing the PH of the gut and skin...add a tblsp. of raw organic apple cider vinegar (Bragg's well known) to the water every time you change it.

For exterior treatment use goldenseal tea - 1 bag to cup boiling water, bring to room temp and make a compress from a soft cloth or cotton T-shirt and cleanse the area with that. It is anti itch and antibacterial. Then smear coconut oil all over the rash and cover him up in T-shirt and boxers so doesn't lick off. You can alternate topical treatment with 50/50 ACV and water mix. This will help bring acidity back to the skin.

My dog had a pretty bad rash last summer in groin area...all I used on it was ACV mix. No abx.

Also do not forget the probiotic
 
#8 ·
This is so great. THANK YOU! Is it okay to give both fish and coconut oil?
What kind of probiotic do you give? How much? My parents' dog is an 85lb golden and he gets human probiotic, as do their cats and its helped him tremendously with his stomach issues. They give him half a capsule but I wanted to be absolutely sure that probiotics ofr humans was okay and in what dosage?

Thank you again!
 
#9 ·
I would give him the coconut oil and work on that first as it has such an important contribution to health (used for dementia and other neuro type dis-functions)...it is also great to for killing bad bacteria and yeasts and is helpful in treating mites - so it's broad spectrum. Plus it doesn't contain all the funky things that fish may be fed or feed off of.

Instead of fish oil - add a couple of canned sardines (packed in water - not soy oil) every other day or so...very high in O-3 plus other nutrients that go hand in hand.

You can give a human one - I use Inno-vite brand (suggested by my holistic vet)...probiotics come in so many diff. billions and types. The one I noted has a DDS line - used for yeasty conditions, which we and dogs all have....it's when these get out of control, skin itches, doggie licks and bites, bacteria sets in and the cycle continues.

The coconut oil will help tremendously with that because it is fast absorbing (also great to clean the ears with should the yeasties start to affect there - you can PM me if you ever have a problem and want to know how to do - but don't mess with the ears if nothing is wrong) - so it works on the inside and outside. You may see a worsening of symptoms, that is due to die-off and overload of toxins on the liver. So just rest from it (internally) for couple days and restart at low dose and work back up:)

Also...the cause may be hormonal...you should have a thyroid test done - may be low - try health food store for a good quality Kelp suppliment, contains iodine for thyroid health...but with that you want to wait and see about test first