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Old 07-29-2012, 01:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, so we have a one year old GSD, a female named Ziva. She was diagnoised a week and a half ago with Pancreatitis, and five days ago the vet started us on two teaspoons of PancrePlus with every meal. We feed her two cups of Royal Canine three times a day. Before that, the vet had us give her a packet of FortiFlora only with her dinner, and a 250mg tablet of Metronidazole in the morning and evening. She also gets B-12 injections, since she has a B-12 deficiency.

Since then, she we think she is starting to gain weight, which is good since she dropped a whopping TWENTY POUNDS. What worries us is that
she doesn't like finishing her meals now. We put water in her food so that she doesn't eat it too fast, and since she won't eat it we'll also throw in some pumpkin, which only encourages her a little bit.

Not only that, but she just sits around all day. We'll take her on a nice long walk once a day, and some basic training throughout the day. We used to have her run a whole lot by throwing sticks in the back yard, but our trainer recommended that we wait on doing that, since she is still developing her muscles, and she could hurt herself in the process.

So... does anyone have an explanation on why she won't finish eating, and that she's lethargic? Is it maybe because she dosen't like her food, and could ANY of this be linked to the Pancreatitis???



P.S. How long does it take for the dog to respond to the enzymes, and when should her bowl movements start looking normal again? And are there any other problems we should look out for?
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Wow, 20 pounds? What tests has she had so far? I don't have any experience with pancreatitis, but I would wonder about EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency) with that kind of weight loss, and possibly SIBO (Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth) as well. Both are unfortunately more common in GSDs than in other breeds, and unless your vet has a lot of GSD patients he may not be that familiar with them. My vet has been practicing over 35 years, but when Keefer had some digestive issues when he was younger I had to request the tests, and I brought in some information about EPI & SIBO that I had printed out from a veterinary site online.

Have you asked the vet your questions about loss of appetite, lethargy, and when you might expect to see some improvement in her stools?
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How long are you letting the enzymes sit on the food before you feed her?
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How did the Vet come to the conclusion of Pancreatitis?

This is pancreatitis..."Under normal circumstances, the strong digestive enzymes that are stored in the pancreas are inactive while in the pancreas and thus do not damage it. The enzymes only become active when they enter the intestine. Pancreatitis occurs when these digestive enzymes for one reason or another become active while in the pancreas. When this occurs, the enzymes actually start to digest the pancreas itself, as well as anything near it. The digestive enzymes can also affect the liver, stomach and small intestines that lie near the pancreas and can even cause widespread damage throughout the abdomen. The animal can also develop secondary heart problems, clotting disorders and hypotension (low blood pressure).

EPI...another pancreas problem, would be the inability to produce enough enzymes...hence adding them to diet...?

Was blood work done? Xrays, ultrasound?, or speculative based on symptoms...B-12 deficiency is common with EPI, as is using Metronidazole for SIBO...Weight loss w/extreme hunger is EPI, loss of appetite Pancreatitis....

HAve you seen this sight...they have a forum too..lots of good info.

Overview - EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency
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Sounds like EPI with all the symptoms you are describing. If she does have EPI it will take some time for her to gain back her weight and energy. I would just back off a little on all the exercise and training for now until she feels better.

If you search the epi4dogs.com forum you will find that a lot of our EPI dogs will refuse food from time to time Forum - EPI * Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency

Here are a couple more groups that may help:

k9-EPIGLOBAL : Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency Dogs
K9Kitchen : dog diets raw cooked allergies disease

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As well the lack of appetite may be due to the meds.

EPI4dogs is a very informative site...will give you better suggestions on what suppliments you should use...if it is EPI and not pancreatitis, which Vets lean toward...Re: big bucks in diagnostics and then gets ruled out. Your dog will need a probiotic (not a shelf stable one), away from food and meds.
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you might want to try a smaller meal twice a day.
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