zimecterin for heart worm

ChristenHolden · 05-10-2010, 05:14 PM

I've been using this for worms and heart worms for almost 5 yrs and I have gave Bella 1 dose and she seems ok and then I found this should I stop using it on Bella? I'm worried now

Ivermectin Poisoning from Parasite Prevention Drugs in Dogs | beingstray.com

arycrest · 05-10-2010, 05:30 PM

Sounds to me like the article is talking about dogs who have the mutant/mutant MDR1 gene. If Bella hasn't had any of the symptoms in 5 years she probably won't have one, but if it would make you feel better, you can get her DNA tested to see if she has the mutant/mutant condition.

I assume since it's a horse product you can give an overdose, but as long as you continue giving the same dosage you always give it should be okay.

ChristenHolden · 05-10-2010, 05:43 PM

Bella is only 6months old and has had only one dose I've only had her one month. Its the other dogs I've been giving for almost 5 yrs. But therir not GSDs eather. That's why I'm worried. If it was gunna hurt her would that fisrt dose indicate she's ok ?

arycrest · 05-10-2010, 05:46 PM

I don't know - the one puppy I know of who had a severe reaction almost died from just one dose. But you can get your puppy the DNA test if you're worried.

Lin · 05-10-2010, 05:51 PM

I would get ivomec, and stop using zimectrin. The problem with the paste wormers is the ivermectin within is not consistent. Its very easy to give a dog a dose thats too low to be therapeutic or too concentrated. The paste livestock wormers are meant to be given to very large animals, when dosing it out to use with small animals you should empty the entire tube into something and mix thoroughly before dosing so the dosage is consistent throughout the paste.

ChristenHolden · 05-10-2010, 06:04 PM

Ohh Bellas first dose was almost a month ago its almost time for the 2nd dose but now I'm iffy on giving it.

**JakodaCD OA** · 05-10-2010, 07:27 PM

I have an aussie who is mutant/mutant to the mdr1 gene..Ivermectin could literally kill her.

I give Interceptor to all my dogs.

Lin · 05-10-2010, 08:13 PM

I really like using ivomec because its pure ivomectin and no additional wormers. Its also much cheaper! There are generic ivomectin liquid injectibles as well for even cheaper. The dosage (for 1% ivomectin solution) is 1/10th cc per 10 lbs of body weight. Its also much more exact to the body weight while heartgard and others are dosed in ranges.

For breeds that are prone to the MDR1 gene you can get them tested. Since she was fine with the zimectrin I doubt she has the gene. Its more common in the collie breeds.

Liesje · 05-10-2010, 09:05 PM

I use the zimectrin paste but you do have to be careful. The concentration of ivermectin is higher than that of Interceptor and other dog products, so it's not as simple as a weight/volume conversion. Also, like Lin said the zimectrin paste is meant to be given all at once. I actually squeeze it all out and mix it. There's a lot leftover but it's still cheaper to use one tube (and toss the rest) each month for $7 total than $6 per Interceptor pill per dog.

Lin where do you get the 1% ivomec? Is that a shot or what? I would like something I can do myself with a more dog-accurate concentration and not have to throw so much away each month.

Lin · 05-10-2010, 09:14 PM

The 1% ivomectin solution is made to be a shot for livestock but you give it orally to dogs. You pull out the dosage with a needle and syringe, but then I inject it into something like bread that is absorbent and follow it up with something REALLY yummy since it tastes awful. You can order it online, or pick it up from a local feed store (tractor supply co carries it.) Make sure to not get ivomec plus though, it has an additional ingredient.

For ivomectin paste you can go way cheaper than that, many places sell generic brands of ivomectin paste wormer for as cheap as $1 something a tube (though that cheap may only be for bulk orders.) I've bought them in bulk before for my horses, and when making a gift box for the Indiana Horse Rescue.

05-10-2010, 05:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
ChristenHolden Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Eastern, Oklahoma, USA Posts: 1,254	zimecterin for heart worm I've been using this for worms and heart worms for almost 5 yrs and I have gave Bella 1 dose and she seems ok and then I found this should I stop using it on Bella? I'm worried now Ivermectin Poisoning from Parasite Prevention Drugs in Dogs \| beingstray.com __________________ ~Christen BELLA~GSD BATISTA~SHAR PEI BANDIT~CHI/YORKIE GABE~RAT TERRIE/CORGIE ANGLE~RAT TERRIER/CORGIE PEPPER~RAT TERRIER HONEY~CHIHUHUHA RUSTY~PAPILLION OLIVER~MUTT CHEWIE~POM MIX Levi~PAP/CHI Champ~PAP/CHI 11 CATS 1 TURTLE~

05-10-2010, 05:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
arycrest Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,944	Sounds to me like the article is talking about dogs who have the mutant/mutant MDR1 gene. If Bella hasn't had any of the symptoms in 5 years she probably won't have one, but if it would make you feel better, you can get her DNA tested to see if she has the mutant/mutant condition. I assume since it's a horse product you can give an overdose, but as long as you continue giving the same dosage you always give it should be okay. __________________ Gayle & the Hooligans Mac, Slider, Bruiser, & Faith MY BRIDGE KIDS: Andy, Abbey, Tasha, Tex, Echo, Yukon, JR, Too, Niki, Bo, Ringer, Kelly, & Honey The Hooligans Photo Albums! Last edited by arycrest; 05-10-2010 at 05:34 PM.

05-10-2010, 05:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChristenHolden Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Eastern, Oklahoma, USA Posts: 1,254	Bella is only 6months old and has had only one dose I've only had her one month. Its the other dogs I've been giving for almost 5 yrs. But therir not GSDs eather. That's why I'm worried. If it was gunna hurt her would that fisrt dose indicate she's ok ? __________________ ~Christen BELLA~GSD BATISTA~SHAR PEI BANDIT~CHI/YORKIE GABE~RAT TERRIE/CORGIE ANGLE~RAT TERRIER/CORGIE PEPPER~RAT TERRIER HONEY~CHIHUHUHA RUSTY~PAPILLION OLIVER~MUTT CHEWIE~POM MIX Levi~PAP/CHI Champ~PAP/CHI 11 CATS 1 TURTLE~

05-10-2010, 05:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
arycrest Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,944	I don't know - the one puppy I know of who had a severe reaction almost died from just one dose. But you can get your puppy the DNA test if you're worried. __________________ Gayle & the Hooligans Mac, Slider, Bruiser, & Faith MY BRIDGE KIDS: Andy, Abbey, Tasha, Tex, Echo, Yukon, JR, Too, Niki, Bo, Ringer, Kelly, & Honey The Hooligans Photo Albums!

05-10-2010, 06:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChristenHolden Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Eastern, Oklahoma, USA Posts: 1,254	Ohh Bellas first dose was almost a month ago its almost time for the 2nd dose but now I'm iffy on giving it. __________________ ~Christen BELLA~GSD BATISTA~SHAR PEI BANDIT~CHI/YORKIE GABE~RAT TERRIE/CORGIE ANGLE~RAT TERRIER/CORGIE PEPPER~RAT TERRIER HONEY~CHIHUHUHA RUSTY~PAPILLION OLIVER~MUTT CHEWIE~POM MIX Levi~PAP/CHI Champ~PAP/CHI 11 CATS 1 TURTLE~

05-10-2010, 05:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lin Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 3,232	I would get ivomec, and stop using zimectrin. The problem with the paste wormers is the ivermectin within is not consistent. Its very easy to give a dog a dose thats too low to be therapeutic or too concentrated. The paste livestock wormers are meant to be given to very large animals, when dosing it out to use with small animals you should empty the entire tube into something and mix thoroughly before dosing so the dosage is consistent throughout the paste.

05-10-2010, 07:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 13,032	I have an aussie who is mutant/mutant to the mdr1 gene..Ivermectin could literally kill her. I give Interceptor to all my dogs. __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

05-10-2010, 08:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lin Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 3,232	I really like using ivomec because its pure ivomectin and no additional wormers. Its also much cheaper! There are generic ivomectin liquid injectibles as well for even cheaper. The dosage (for 1% ivomectin solution) is 1/10th cc per 10 lbs of body weight. Its also much more exact to the body weight while heartgard and others are dosed in ranges. For breeds that are prone to the MDR1 gene you can get them tested. Since she was fine with the zimectrin I doubt she has the gene. Its more common in the collie breeds.

05-10-2010, 09:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,139	I use the zimectrin paste but you do have to be careful. The concentration of ivermectin is higher than that of Interceptor and other dog products, so it's not as simple as a weight/volume conversion. Also, like Lin said the zimectrin paste is meant to be given all at once. I actually squeeze it all out and mix it. There's a lot leftover but it's still cheaper to use one tube (and toss the rest) each month for $7 total than $6 per Interceptor pill per dog. Lin where do you get the 1% ivomec? Is that a shot or what? I would like something I can do myself with a more dog-accurate concentration and not have to throw so much away each month. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser HIT CGC *vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net*

05-10-2010, 09:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lin Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 3,232	The 1% ivomectin solution is made to be a shot for livestock but you give it orally to dogs. You pull out the dosage with a needle and syringe, but then I inject it into something like bread that is absorbent and follow it up with something REALLY yummy since it tastes awful. You can order it online, or pick it up from a local feed store (tractor supply co carries it.) Make sure to not get ivomec plus though, it has an additional ingredient. For ivomectin paste you can go way cheaper than that, many places sell generic brands of ivomectin paste wormer for as cheap as $1 something a tube (though that cheap may only be for bulk orders.) I've bought them in bulk before for my horses, and when making a gift box for the Indiana Horse Rescue.

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