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Old 04-05-2014, 10:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Oh, no dog parks? I thought that was a good place after pup was fully vaccinated? We took our previous dogs there without issue (not to these particular ones, though). Is it because you can't guarantee the kinds of experiences the puppy will have?
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Oh, no dog parks? I thought that was a good place after pup was fully vaccinated? We took our previous dogs there without issue (not to these particular ones, though). Is it because you can't guarantee the kinds of experiences the puppy will have?
GSDs aren't really dog park dogs. Also, with your dog having the future of a service dog, it's not a good idea anyway as too much can go wrong at the dog park. Too many irresponsible owners taking their dogs there who are untrained and/or aggressive.
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Is it because you can't guarantee the kinds of experiences the puppy will have?
Exactly. Especially with a pup you want to be a service dog, you are looking for rock solid socialization, absolutely no bad experiences for the pup to possibly have a future hang up about. It only takes one bad incident to form a bad impression with a pup and then best case scenario, you just piled a huge load of recovery work on your shoulders to reverse that bad experience or worst case scenario, that pup has that bad experience on their mind for the rest of their life and the best that can be done is management.

I would say no dog parks. I have worked with dogs large and small for years, know dog body language very well, and I still take a huge risk taking my dog to off hours at the park. Busy times are out of the question. There is just so much that can go wrong so quickly, especially for a puppy. Plus you have major health concerns with an area that is exposed daily to so many dogs and their various sicknesses and ailments. In an ideal world, people would make sure their dogs are fit and healthy, but I can't tell you how many dogs I've seen at the park with various ailments and infections. Also, I've never seen an officer where I live checking to make sure dogs have shots. It's posted as a rule of the park, but I've never seen it enforced.
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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GSDs aren't really dog park dogs. Also, with your dog having the future of a service dog, it's not a good idea anyway as too much can go wrong at the dog park. Too many irresponsible owners taking their dogs there who are untrained and/or aggressive.
Oh, I see. Okay then! Thank you for telling me! :]
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Old 04-05-2014, 11:05 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "baggage"? I apologize if it's obvious and I just missed it! :]

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"Why shouldn't an Assistance Dog be protective?" See the link I posted.

Not my call or experience, I just look for patterns in that pattern, Labs and Retrievers make up 85% of the seeing eye dogs GDS's are 15%.

Another dog (one of my favorites) that could make an excellent service dog would be a Boxer...if you have a lot of time on your hand! It would take 3 times as long to train a Boxer as a service dog as it would a GSD! Most pro's don't have that kind of time to devote to a single dog.

Oh and forget the King Shepherd anyway...to big.

And from my experience I had about 12 years training and handling dogs all Bully breeds my GSD handed me my butt! I had to really up my game to deal with his "protection/people issues."

I did and he's fine, my "guess" would be that 'Seeing eyes for the Blind' doesn't need that kind of crap with the dogs they place?

But to your point with a GSD, you need the right dog, with the right temperament, from a good breeder! And you need to have your game face on, anything less with a GSD and it might not work out so well.

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Other people have been less abrupt with it but I'll say it straight out -- forget fussing about what coat you would prefer. You are after a service dog. You want a very knowledgable breeder who will be able to tell you if this litter on the ground has an appropriate pup for you. In a litter there can be very laid back pup or two very suitable for service work, high drive pups that would be better put to work in a sport, and pups that could go either way.
Do not worry about WHERE this breeder is located. You are after knowledge and reputation deep enough to pick out the pup of whichever gender, coat and color it happens to be that will be the best service dog. Both the breeder(s) and pup(s) for your purpose are out there.
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forget fussing about what coat you would prefer.
Oh, it's not a requirement, just a preference. I find grooming dogs to be very soothing (brushing and things soothes my nerves) so I simply thought it would be preferable to get a long coated GSD in this case. If it so happens that the perfect match is a short or medium coat then by all means I'm more than content with that; I was just wondering if anyone knew of a long coated breeder who bred dogs with the coat type that was a preference!

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This is more of a financial as well as peace of mind consideration, though. Shipping is extremely expensive (I've been quoted anywhere from $450 to almost $1000) so it would be much easier to find a breeder close to us that we could simply drive to. I'd also really would like the opportunity to meet in person with the breeder and meet the pups in person. I was always of the mindset to have the breeder select the pup for me since they would know the puppies better than I would, but I would still like the opportunity to "meet and greet" the litter, as it were. :] I'm willing to travel to neighbouring states but I'm quite firm on not wanting to ship. I hope that makes sense! :]
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When I was in Arkansas I flew to Oregon to pick up a pup. It wasn't that expensive. Besides, it worked for a vacation, too. She flew as carry on & I think it was 75 to 100$ fee. That was about 4 years ago. So, to me, no, it doesn't make sense not to ship or to go pick up.
You want a pup suitable for a specific task. With good health and excellent temperment & very specific drive levels. I'd watch what other constraints I put on this if I were in your position. It's a little like me and lottery tickets - they haven't had the winner for sale any time I was at the store -- so I haven't bought the ticket yet.
But it is your pup & your situation. We've at least got you out of coat-type preferences (I love long coats having had two myself - but I didn't specifically look for long coats and I currently have one very tight coated dog and the pup is "to be determined". I get what the breeder has that he thinks is suitable for me.)
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Here is some good reading for you. There is a breeder directory also. It might make things easier for you.


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Oh, no dog parks? I thought that was a good place after pup was fully vaccinated? We took our previous dogs there without issue (not to these particular ones, though). Is it because you can't guarantee the kinds of experiences the puppy will have?
Well that's my call to arms!

Info here in post 8
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You were lucky lots of folks have no problems at dogs parks... lots of folks don't. Cesar Millan builds his career on dog park folks. Cesar 911 every week...here we go again! But hey maybe that's why he never says... don't go to dog parks?? There good for business!

In simple terms you put your dog at risk, if he gets attacked he can easily become a fear bitter or dog reactive Second if your dog is allowed to run around out of control, he can easily learn that you don't matter. My guys never did dog parks they never had issues caused by other peoples dogs.

They were taught to ignore other dogs not to be other folks chew toy! No "dog parks" no "I thought my dog was friendly folks??"

Don't need the hassle I put too much time and effort into my dogs to risk them getting hurt or developing issues, that "I" have to fix.

And you're not going to see Service dogs, Seeing eye dogs or K9's at a Dog Park..unless you take yours??

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