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SFGSSD · 01-18-2013, 09:01 PM

No offense but... Who in there right mind buys an untrained pup for the tune of 20K specifically for a disability and think it is acceptable to not see the contract beforehand?
Keep on mind that this untrained pup only comes with a 180 hour training voucher. Also if you seek outside training help they tell you they will take the dog back if you do so.

Good service dog orgs and trainers put in a minimum 1500+ hours total into a dog. The price tag is not the issue. It is what you get for it.
If anyone tells you they will ship you an untrained puppy with a training video or a small training voucher from random trainers... That should be more than enough for you to see more red flags than you did during the Olympics in China.

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Jax08 · 01-18-2013, 09:07 PM

I assume it is people desperate to help their children and sucked in by a smooth talking shyster. It's very sad that he preys on people with sick children like this.

**ILGHAUS** · 01-18-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jax08

I assume it is people desperate to help their children and sucked in by a smooth talking shyster. It's very sad that he preys on people with sick children like this.

Preys on people with sick children and promotes outlandish statements. Here is an article about another family who purchased a pup from this Warren.

"Sprinkels can alert Kate's parents up to a mile away right now. Once she is fully trained, the dog should be able to alert up to five miles away."

Diabetic alert dog is life-saver for one local family - WCIV-TV | ABC News 4 - Charleston News, Sports, Weather

SFGSSD · 01-19-2013, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jax08

I assume it is people desperate to help their children and sucked in by a smooth talking shyster. It's very sad that he preys on people with sick children like this.

Yes it is. He is not the only one. There are a not more than the ones mentioned here but they fly under the radar... Believe it or not some are ADI accredited

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**ladylaw203** · 01-19-2013, 05:53 AM

They prey on the uninformed folks desperate to help their child. They are vulnerable to someone with an impressive line of BS. People all over the world are victims of various frauds. Also folks who Absolutely know nothing about dogs are easy prey. I really don't know how some folks sleep but they do

**JakodaCD OA** · 01-19-2013, 07:52 AM

this is the article about the one in my area
The Day - New addition ready to sniff out disaster | News from southeastern Connecticut

**ladylaw203** · 01-19-2013, 12:07 PM

Good grief

SFGSSD · 01-20-2013, 10:01 AM

I recall a few years ago there was this company that advertised that they produced a diabetic alert dog. They received tons of praises from people and the press. They posted how this Diabetic Alert Dog worked and how it was almost ready to go. They said:
The dog alerted at 140 then after treatment alerted again 5 min later at 110, then again another 10 minutes later at 98, drank a soda and the dog alerted again at 136 then again at 152, (they added a "good boy" for that alert) another treatment and the dog alerted again at 82 (they added a comment after that one saying "this dog is doing great!").
I commented anonymously on this and said to them, "with my experience with scent detection, the 82 was the only valid alert. 1 out of 7 is not scent alerting, it is getting lucky and not just based on the model you presented here."
They deleted the comment shortly after I posted it.
I guess they did not want there luck to run out to soon

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01-18-2013, 09:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
SFGSSD Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 255	buyer beware No offense but... Who in there right mind buys an untrained pup for the tune of 20K specifically for a disability and think it is acceptable to not see the contract beforehand? Keep on mind that this untrained pup only comes with a 180 hour training voucher. Also if you seek outside training help they tell you they will take the dog back if you do so. Good service dog orgs and trainers put in a minimum 1500+ hours total into a dog. The price tag is not the issue. It is what you get for it. If anyone tells you they will ship you an untrained puppy with a training video or a small training voucher from random trainers... That should be more than enough for you to see more red flags than you did during the Olympics in China. Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App

01-18-2013, 09:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 19,009	I assume it is people desperate to help their children and sucked in by a smooth talking shyster. It's very sad that he preys on people with sick children like this. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

01-19-2013, 05:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,911	They prey on the uninformed folks desperate to help their child. They are vulnerable to someone with an impressive line of BS. People all over the world are victims of various frauds. Also folks who Absolutely know nothing about dogs are easy prey. I really don't know how some folks sleep but they do __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official

01-19-2013, 07:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 17,516	this is the article about the one in my area The Day - New addition ready to sniff out disaster \| News from southeastern Connecticut __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

01-19-2013, 12:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,911	Good grief __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official

01-20-2013, 10:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
SFGSSD Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 255	buyer beware I recall a few years ago there was this company that advertised that they produced a diabetic alert dog. They received tons of praises from people and the press. They posted how this Diabetic Alert Dog worked and how it was almost ready to go. They said: The dog alerted at 140 then after treatment alerted again 5 min later at 110, then again another 10 minutes later at 98, drank a soda and the dog alerted again at 136 then again at 152, (they added a "good boy" for that alert) another treatment and the dog alerted again at 82 (they added a comment after that one saying "this dog is doing great!"). I commented anonymously on this and said to them, "with my experience with scent detection, the 82 was the only valid alert. 1 out of 7 is not scent alerting, it is getting lucky and not just based on the model you presented here." They deleted the comment shortly after I posted it. I guess they did not want there luck to run out to soon Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App

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