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Old 01-27-2013, 01:13 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I am a firm believer in a single discipline for a dog. However, with regard to the danger aspect,I think it depends on what the service dog's function is. A DAD, dog for the blind etc, does not need to be distracted at all from what his function is for the handler. my friends with dogs for PTSD can use all the interaction with people that they can get. It helps them heal. goes with the agoraphobic handlers as well. their problems stem from fear of a public venue. if this makes sense
Thank you for clarifying. In your response it seems that you concur that it is in fact dangerous (I firmly believe it can be deadly in some cases) if a dual role is practiced with a working Service Dog for disabled people with specific types of disabilities. Is that correct? It also appears that you also concur that single discipline for a working dog is vital to the performance of a working dog (General working dog principles) is that correct?

While I agree that not all types of Service Dogs for PWD that are distracted on the job pose a "life threatening" associative behavior picked up from the dual role of a SD/TD, it is conflicting to the dog none the less, It has been proven and shown that this practice (not sticking to a single discipline) at the very least a cause of degradation in performance of a working dog. The associative behaviors that are created from said dual role can also translate to the Service Dog behaving inappropriately in public as they will eventually try to go to someone (person or child) on their own, or cued by someone other than the handler. Pending on the severity of the associative behavior resulting from conflict, it can cause a mobility dog to go to anyone unexpectedly in public. This sudden associative reaction can cause the handler to fall and break a hip for instance. Or the dog can be viewed as disruptive and “not under control at all times” (This legally gives any business owner, store manager etc.. the legal right to deny access and the handler must remove the dog from the premises... but may return without the dog to complete their business in said public place.) Putting a PWD with a SD in a position that legally could separate them from the dog in order to complete their business in public is also very dangerous for many types of disabilities. The General statement of "It is dangerous" covers this and many other “for instances” of what can happen if associative behaviors present itself while the dog is functioning as a Service Dog in public.
In your own words as a Professional Working Dog Trainer and Evaluator, would you mind explaining why you are a “firm believer in a single discipline for a dog.”? While I tried to explain this myself, earlier in this thread, I admit and thank the lord that I am a dog trainer and not a writer, because I definitely would not make it in that profession.
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" my friends with dogs for PTSD can use all the interaction with people that they can get. It helps them heal. goes with the agoraphobic handlers as well. their problems stem from fear of a public venue. if this makes sense." In response to this, we can get more indepth in another thread as this is to much to cover right now.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:27 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Thank you for clarifying. In your response it seems that you concur that it is in fact dangerous (I firmly believe it can be deadly in some cases) if a dual role is practiced with a working Service Dog for disabled people with specific types of disabilities. Is that correct? It also appears that you also concur that single discipline for a working dog is vital to the performance of a working dog (General working dog principles) is that correct?
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I have always preferred a single discipline. Most departments have dual purpose patrol/narc or patrol/EDD I still prefer a single discipline which is why I do not advocate Live find/HRD dogs. for various reasons,some legal. I actually do put a command on my dogs so they know they are free to take a break,sniff, run around whatever. A release command if you will. My circumstances are a lot different than a SD handler however, and if they are in public , the dog's focus should be on his job. Period if the dog's function is to provide a vital service to the individual. Just me.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:08 PM   #103 (permalink)
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I have always preferred a single discipline. Most departments have dual purpose patrol/narc or patrol/EDD I still prefer a single discipline which is why I do not advocate Live find/HRD dogs. for various reasons, some legal..

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My circumstances are a lot different than a SD handler however, and if they are in public , the dog's focus should be on his job. Period if the dog's function is to provide a vital service to the individual. Just me.
Agreed.

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The policy change by TDI stops ALL service dog handlers from registering their service dog as a visiting therapy dog for a dual role. This is about the DOG and it has nothing to do with discriminating against anyone. If TDI said: (for instance) Nobody that has a DAD or a Seeing eye dog but a PTSD dog is ok, they then would CLEARLY be discriminating as it is no longer about the dog it is about the specific disability.
As it sits now, IT IS NOT discrimination as the policy is all about the dog NOT the disabled handler or the disability. PET Partners will register a Service Dog as a visiting therapy dog to function in a duel role if you choose. As a word of caution: If you want to go down that road with PET Partners, do so at your own risk! If you wind up experiencing degradation in training or associative behaviors that causes you to be injured they (Pet Paertners) will not take responsibility for allowing you to do this. You legally have a right to do this dual role at this time, just as TDI has a legal right to look out for the best interest of the dog and its members in relation to their Registered Therapy Dogs.
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Fair enough.
Agreed.
TO ALL:
The policy change by TDI stops ALL service dog handlers from registering their service dog as a visiting therapy dog for a dual role. This is about the DOG and it has nothing to do with discriminating against anyone. If TDI said: (for instance) Nobody that has a DAD or a Seeing eye dog but a PTSD dog is ok, they then would CLEARLY be discriminating as it is no longer about the dog it is about the specific disability.
As it sits now, IT IS NOT discrimination as the policy is all about the dog NOT the disabled handler or the disability. PET Partners will register a Service Dog as a visiting therapy dog to function in a duel role if you choose. As a word of caution: If you want to go down that road with PET Partners, do so at your own risk! If you wind up experiencing degradation in training or associative behaviors that causes you to be injured they (Pet Paertners) will not take responsibility for allowing you to do this. You legally have a right to do this dual role at this time, just as TDI has a legal right to look out for the best interest of the dog and its members in relation to their Registered Therapy Dogs.
Whether people like it or not, in my opinion it does makes a lot of sense!
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