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Old 07-12-2012, 05:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Guardian Angels Service Dogs Inc. (VA)

Service dog provider puts Groves family on alert
Submitted by Fred Davis on July 12, 2012 - 8:35am

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While the training is part of the issue, Dan Warren, president of Warren Enterprises LLC, which also owns Guardian Angels Service Dogs Inc., a not-for-profit company out of Montpelier, Va., is demanding that the extra money made by the McLeods’ fundraising efforts go to him. In addition to Guardian Angels, Warren also owns Warren Retrievers, a company that breeds Labrador retrievers, which he also uses as the Guardian Angel service dogs.


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Old 07-12-2012, 05:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is this the same family and service dog that was discussed in an earlier thread?

Okay, I looked it up myself....not the same family....but it is the same service dog company.

Here's the previous thread:

Saw this today, a little unbelievable???

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This is in my county. I remember the press earlier and bit my tongue.....
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I'm disappointed to say the least. I would have thought that if I were to pay 20K for an alert dog, it would come to me being able to alert. I can certainly understand the need for additional training. But I would have thought that would be to make sure the family and the dog worked together as a team.

I don't understand if people think that a certain breed, or blood line will perform a specific task as if by magic.
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I read the article and I feel for the parents/owners...

BUT - um really $20,000 for a PUPPY? How did they possibly think that a 3 month old PUPPY would be fully trained as a service dog, especially as an alert dog for a person the dog had never met? This puppy would not be in tune to this kid and his body makeup/scents as soon as it came off a plane? Not to mention any normal service dog (ie guide dog, etc) is much older when placed in a home to work, which they admit to knowing...so didn't they question how a puppy would be able to do this? I get the feeling this family did not do enough research going into this and went the easy route by going with the company that delivered the dog to you (rather than having to go to a training center to bond/train and pick up your dog, which is the norm). The fact that they thought they wouldn't have to do any training is amazing to me.

That all being said, I can see how they just wanted their son to be safe and were easily taken in by this snake oil salesmen!

I do think the company is horribly in its practices and is g-d awful for going after extra money raised. I hope this raises enough attention that this supposed service dog agency is shut down.
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People that do not know anything about dog training believe. I have helped folks before that were promised the most outlandish things. Tasks that any of we dog savvy folks would have laughed for days about. Plus when one WANTS so desperately to believe it makes it easier. Folks should do more research
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I read some articles and things about this company, and I am surprised how many families seem to be getting dogs from them. $20,000 for a 7-12 week old puppy that the family them must train themselves? I can't believe this company is even around let alone that they are operating as a non-profit... Where is all this money going? I can't see any way it could be all going into the training of these puppies since they barely have them for a few weeks.
Then there is no guarantee a puppy will make it to being a service dog, even the organizations that have been breeding dogs for service dog work for many years have many dogs that do not make it as service dogs.

According to the comments on that article, this company is claiming to place HUNDREDS of these dogs/puppies per year, which is even scarier.
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Warren Retrievers was one of the winners of 100 cars given away.
Remember, Dan Warren is the president of Warren Enterprises LLC and Guardian Angels Service Dogs Inc.

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Toyota is giving 100 cars over 100 days to nonprofits that could really use a new set of wheels. And voters like you help decide which one gets a new ride every day.

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Guardian Angel owner far from angelic
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Dan Warren, president of both Warren Enterprises LLC and Guardian Angel Service Dogs, did not respond to several messages left for him regarding information that he was found guilty on seven charges of “uttering” and seven charges of “false statement to obtain credit. Warren, whose name is actually Charles Daniel Warren Jr., was sentenced to 35 years in prison on the uttering charges and 84 months in jail on the false statement charges in the Chesterfield County Circuit Court on April 17, 2008.

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In the same article quoted above are also these statements ...

"Dr. Larry Myers, a canine scent expert and professor at the University of Auburn, has more than 30 years of experience studying dogs’ scent detection abilities and is skeptical of dogs being able to sense changes in a person’s blood sugar — period."

"Myers said there’s plenty of ways to train a dog, and he’s even seen a situation in Missouri where a company, Heaven Scent Paws, was involved in a similar dispute over fundraising and training, or lack thereof. The company ultimately went bankrupt after it was ordered to pay $200,000 back when the Missouri Attorney General filed charges against the company for essentially scamming customers with dogs that couldn’t alert."

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