Gray german shepherd

Pascha · 10-24-2008, 11:15 AM

I have seen the limitations when registering GSDs, such as there is the listing for blue, but not blue/tan and for liver but not liver/tan.

I have heard of silver, but only seen them in pictures.

I am really curious about the 'gray'. Is that a type of sable, a secondary type of blue, or is it an actual color?

SouthernThistle · 10-24-2008, 11:25 AM

I have mainly seen people refer to "grey" German Shepherds when they are actually sable.

I believe Blue/Tan still qualifies as "blue," and Liver/Tan" still qualifies as being "liver."

Catu · 10-24-2008, 11:45 AM

In Spanish, sables are usually referred as "grays"

katieliz · 10-24-2008, 11:50 AM

didn't know there were registration limitations for blues and livers, only that it is a disqualifying fault when showing.

**Chris Wild** · 10-24-2008, 11:56 AM

In Germany, the word used to refer to sable is "Grau", which means gray. So Germans calls sables "grays".

Over here, of course we call them sable. But if you hear the term "gray", especially if being used by a European, it probably means sable.

Of course it's possible for people to use it to refer to a blue, since really blue is a gray color. But that would be an inappropriate usage since the technical term is blue.

And yes, blue/tan, liver/tan, blue sable, liver sable, solid blue, solid liver, would all be registered as just blue or liver on AKC papers.

Xeph · 10-25-2008, 05:28 PM

Blues and Livers are not disqualified in the states, but they are seriously faulted

BlackGSD · 10-25-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted By: XephBlues and Livers are not disqualified in the states, but they are seriously faulted

They SHOULD be. Since (as I'm sure you know) part of the list of disqualifications is " dogs with noses not predominantly black". And neither blues nor livers have black noses.

**Chris Wild** · 10-25-2008, 10:17 PM

That's actually what DQs them from the international standard too. Nothing in the standard prohibits the blue or liver colors themselves (like it specifies against white dogs). But it does prohibit anything but black leather.. and since blues and livers don't have black leather, the are DQed.

Scarlett · 10-26-2008, 11:30 AM

The dilute genes (blue, liver) affect the black pigment on a dog, so no matter the pattern or the amount of tan, registration need not state "and tan". Blues and livers are disqualified in the AKC ring by way of their noses not being black, even though it may state dilutes are a serious fault in the standard a dilute cannot have a black nose. They are not disqualified in Canada but are considered a serious fault.

10-24-2008, 11:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pascha Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United States Posts: 87	Gray german shepherd I have seen the limitations when registering GSDs, such as there is the listing for blue, but not blue/tan and for liver but not liver/tan. I have heard of silver, but only seen them in pictures. I am really curious about the 'gray'. Is that a type of sable, a secondary type of blue, or is it an actual color?

10-24-2008, 11:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
SouthernThistle Crowned Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 5,347	Re: Gray german shepherd I have mainly seen people refer to "grey" German Shepherds when they are actually sable. I believe Blue/Tan still qualifies as "blue," and Liver/Tan" still qualifies as being "liver." __________________ - Shel Handmade puppy and dog toys - Free Shipping 100% Proceeds to animal rescues - http://gandggoodies.webs.com/ - PICS NOW UP!

10-24-2008, 11:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	Re: Gray german shepherd In Spanish, sables are usually referred as "grays" __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

10-24-2008, 11:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
katieliz Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: york township, mi Posts: 6,323	Re: Gray german shepherd didn't know there were registration limitations for blues and livers, only that it is a disqualifying fault when showing. __________________ mom to seraphina blue & the cashman miss jeni-take-a-ride, rescued 7/07 shangri la's great white caesar, rescued 4/09 hearthside's cinderfella (RIP 4/20/09) shep von bellefontaine (RIP 6/9/10) voodoo lily (dsh) & cricket (african grey)

10-24-2008, 11:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Gray german shepherd In Germany, the word used to refer to sable is "Grau", which means gray. So Germans calls sables "grays". Over here, of course we call them sable. But if you hear the term "gray", especially if being used by a European, it probably means sable. Of course it's possible for people to use it to refer to a blue, since really blue is a gray color. But that would be an inappropriate usage since the technical term is blue. And yes, blue/tan, liver/tan, blue sable, liver sable, solid blue, solid liver, would all be registered as just blue or liver on AKC papers. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

10-25-2008, 05:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	Re: Gray german shepherd Blues and Livers are not disqualified in the states, but they are seriously faulted __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

10-25-2008, 10:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Gray german shepherd That's actually what DQs them from the international standard too. Nothing in the standard prohibits the blue or liver colors themselves (like it specifies against white dogs). But it does prohibit anything but black leather.. and since blues and livers don't have black leather, the are DQed. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

10-26-2008, 11:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Scarlett Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 309	Re: Gray german shepherd The dilute genes (blue, liver) affect the black pigment on a dog, so no matter the pattern or the amount of tan, registration need not state "and tan". Blues and livers are disqualified in the AKC ring by way of their noses not being black, even though it may state dilutes are a serious fault in the standard a dilute cannot have a black nose. They are not disqualified in Canada but are considered a serious fault.

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