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The SV does not recognize BI. They will have them and the blanket b/t the same way, usually black with tan/brown markings.

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I guess I wasnt very clear... The dog im asking about is my pups father. When I got my pups pedigree from AKC it had my pups FATHER (the dog pictured in my LAST post) listed as a black and tan, but I thought he looked like a bi color...lol.

My pups is a Sable... His father was the blk/tan/bicolor im asking about... His mother was Sable.

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Maybe my response was too complicated.

The sire is bi-color.
His papers are wrong.
Not an uncommon color mistake as both bi-color and melanistic black/tan pups look almost identical when young, including both often having the tarheels and toe penciling. So whoever picked his color when he was registered with AKC just messed up. Not a big deal.


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Maybe my response was too complicated.

The sire is bi-color.
His papers are wrong.
Not an uncommon color mistake as both bi-color and melanistic black/tan pups look almost identical when young, including both often having the tarheels and toe penciling. So whoever picked his color when he was registered with AKC just messed up. Not a big deal.
Thank you, I understood your first post completely. I was referring to those who thought I was asking about my pup instead of his sire. Thanks for everyones input!

And here is MY Sable pup Ruger... Pic didnt show in last post
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Totally agree, bi-color. Just had to add though, how darling your pup looks! Such a lil fluffer.
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Chris, when do non-bicolors lose the toes/penciling usually? What age can you generally tell pretty certainly, that it's one or the other? Just curious. :-)

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Seems to depend on the individual dog and bloodlines. With Heidi and her melanistic black/tan littermates they were gone by 10-12 weeks or so.

With this little guy I seem to remember he was 5 or 6 months old before they totally faded.



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Blanket b/t (carries BI) at 7 weeks.




BI color at 7 weeks



Not the best pictures. Looking for more.

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I don't have any with the two together which would have been a better way to compare.

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Bi color at 3 weeks and 4 months. They tend to darken while the b/t lighten.
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