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01-14-2013, 11:47 AM
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it is genetic definitely. I talked at length to a research person at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands...it seems to go back to 3 dogs (many many generations ago) and not be in working lines....except that even working dogs can have Mutz and Canto in their pedigrees too....
There were 4 in my litter - 2 normal, 2 dwarfs.....one was stillborn - I did not breed the female again....I spayed her and she is in a wonderful pet home....Sch3 Pike daughter..... <<<sigh>>>> Lee
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01-14-2013, 11:51 AM
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 Is it even possible to tell there is a possibility of this without extensive research, more so than you would normally do, when breeding?
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01-14-2013, 05:25 PM
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I should NOT have shown my wife these pics... she wants one.... lol
we already have four dogs,,, two under six months of age...lol
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01-14-2013, 05:32 PM
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01-14-2013, 07:05 PM
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she's had her blood test done. thyroid results should be back within 2 days. pituitary results will take longer, not sure how long... this vet agreed her heart sounded fine. her extreme overbite can also be an indication of dwarfism according to the vet book. will let everyone know how she goes.
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01-14-2013, 07:12 PM
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You would be hard put to find a dog out there without one of the three genetic sources in it's pedigree....yes - they may be 8 to 15 generations back!!!! - but it is an anomaly that crops up more than you realize....look at the pedigree that I got it from! Pike, Yoshey, Busecker Schloss....very very very widely used dogs....
that is why I shake my head when people say that something in the fifth generation "does not matter"..... Lee
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01-14-2013, 07:38 PM
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Fred Lanting has some good information on pituitary dwarfism -- Uran Wildsteiger Land is identified as a source for this problem -- somewhere in one of my old SV magazines there is an article discussing this. http://www.gsdhelp.info/endo/pituitarydwarfism.html
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01-14-2013, 09:39 PM
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that was the third dog I could not remember! And try to avoid him??? There would be nothing left to use in breeding....
Lee
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01-15-2013, 01:24 AM
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She is absolutely adorable
 and I too wish you both all the very best.Just out of curiosity are you in Australia too (the KG and Kelpie comments)?
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01-15-2013, 02:11 AM
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That's the first thing I want to know. Who is in the 5th Generation. |
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