runt or dwarf?? - Page 3 - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-14-2013, 11:47 AM   #21 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
wolfstraum's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 9,351
Default

it is genetic definitely. I talked at length to a research person at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands...it seems to go back to 3 dogs (many many generations ago) and not be in working lines....except that even working dogs can have Mutz and Canto in their pedigrees too....

There were 4 in my litter - 2 normal, 2 dwarfs.....one was stillborn - I did not breed the female again....I spayed her and she is in a wonderful pet home....Sch3 Pike daughter..... <<<sigh>>>>



Lee
__________________
Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, SG Bengal, Komet, Kira HGH & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ ATB Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha & Fenja Sch3s

wolfstraum.net


Last edited by wolfstraum; 01-14-2013 at 11:51 AM.
wolfstraum is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-14-2013, 11:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
Jax08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NNE PA
Posts: 21,547
Default

Is it even possible to tell there is a possibility of this without extensive research, more so than you would normally do, when breeding?
__________________
Jax
Seger vom Sitz von der Hose

Forever loved and missed.....Banshee

~The strength of one's opinion should not exceed their knowledge on the matter~
Jax08 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 05:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Yoschi's_Pet_Human's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 344
Default

I should NOT have shown my wife these pics... she wants one.... lol
we already have four dogs,,, two under six months of age...lol
__________________
My baby boy: Yoschi vom Herzbach, winner of my heart
Sire: V1-Gildo vom Herzbach SchH3, IPO3, FH, KKL1"a"
Dam: V-Fenja vom Herzbach SchH3, FH, KKL1"a"
Yoschi's_Pet_Human is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 05:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Lauri & The Gang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: SouthEastern WI
Posts: 14,168
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoschi's_Pet_Human View Post
I should NOT have shown my wife these pics... she wants one.... lol
we already have four dogs,,, two under six months of age...lol
Oh, sure - dwarf GSDs are cute but they can have serious health issues and some don't live very long.
__________________
Lauri & The Raw Fed Gang
Raw Dog Ranch
Winnie CGC - Corgi Mix
Chimanes Spice it Up Piquin (Kaynya) - Chinese Crested
Nator von Triton HIC CGC (Mauser) - LC GSD
Piquins Some Like it Hot (Spike) Chinese Crested
Piquins Too Hot To Handle - (Fuego) - Chinese Crested
Piquins Wasabi (Sabi) - Chinese Crested
Piquins Super Hot (Clark) - Chinese Crested
Banzai, Cloe, Mocha - Felines Extraordinaire
Neke, Tessa, Remi, Sadie, Riggs, Sasha, Tazer - DK, Mozart, Zoe - Gone but not forgotten
Lauri & The Gang is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 07:05 PM   #25 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
LittleLady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: australia
Posts: 36
Default

she's had her blood test done. thyroid results should be back within 2 days. pituitary results will take longer, not sure how long... this vet agreed her heart sounded fine. her extreme overbite can also be an indication of dwarfism according to the vet book. will let everyone know how she goes.
LittleLady is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 07:12 PM   #26 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
wolfstraum's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 9,351
Default

You would be hard put to find a dog out there without one of the three genetic sources in it's pedigree....yes - they may be 8 to 15 generations back!!!! - but it is an anomaly that crops up more than you realize....look at the pedigree that I got it from! Pike, Yoshey, Busecker Schloss....very very very widely used dogs....

that is why I shake my head when people say that something in the fifth generation "does not matter".....

Lee
__________________
Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, SG Bengal, Komet, Kira HGH & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ ATB Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha & Fenja Sch3s

wolfstraum.net

wolfstraum is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 07:38 PM   #27 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: ontario -
Posts: 8,242
Default

Fred Lanting has some good information on pituitary dwarfism -- Uran Wildsteiger Land is identified as a source for this problem -- somewhere in one of my old SV magazines there is an article discussing this. http://www.gsdhelp.info/endo/pituitarydwarfism.html
__________________
Carmen

**********

Carmspack
carmspack is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-14-2013, 09:39 PM   #28 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
wolfstraum's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 9,351
Default

that was the third dog I could not remember! And try to avoid him??? There would be nothing left to use in breeding....

Lee
__________________
Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, SG Bengal, Komet, Kira HGH & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ ATB Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha & Fenja Sch3s

wolfstraum.net

wolfstraum is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-15-2013, 01:24 AM   #29 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
bianca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 3,477
Default

She is absolutely adorable and I too wish you both all the very best.

Just out of curiosity are you in Australia too (the KG and Kelpie comments)?
__________________
Miss Molly Moo (aka The Piranha/The four legged Mouth) GSD 31/10
Raennik Hassan (Cooper) GSD 19/10/11
Paris Tabby Cat 15 years
Texas Tabby Cat 15 years
bianca is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-15-2013, 02:11 AM   #30 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Jeff. County, NY
Posts: 9,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfstraum View Post
You would be hard put to find a dog out there without one of the three genetic sources in it's pedigree....yes - they may be 8 to 15 generations back!!!! - but it is an anomaly that crops up more than you realize....look at the pedigree that I got it from! Pike, Yoshey, Busecker Schloss....very very very widely used dogs....

that is why I shake my head when people say that something in the fifth generation "does not matter".....

Lee

That's the first thing I want to know. Who is in the 5th Generation.
Mrs.K is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:53 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com