Is Pano Genetic? - Page 2

onyx'girl · 11-11-2012, 12:52 PM

With Karlo I supplemented with vitamin C and his bouts were very mild. I didn't know about C's benefits when Onyx went through it. C will reduce inflammation, and I believe it did help lessen Karlo's.

Capone22 · 11-11-2012, 01:10 PM

I think weight plays a huge factor. Whether raw or kibble keeping them lean makes a big difference. I think on leerburg, his last dog that got pano in raw was a tad too thick. Once them got him down a couple pounds it went away.

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Capone22 · 11-11-2012, 01:14 PM

I would say genetic in how fast the parents grow. Does the line grow slow and steady? Or fast and then slow? Or do they tend to have spurts of rapid growth? Has there been any research to see if there is any correlation to growth patterns?

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jaggirl47 · 11-11-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Capone22

I think weight plays a huge factor. Whether raw or kibble keeping them lean makes a big difference. I think on leerburg, his last dog that got pano in raw was a tad too thick. Once them got him down a couple pounds it went away.

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With that article, the dog in question was actually not overweight. It was just not as lean as Ed Frawley would normally keep his dogs by a couple of pounds. This was a mal that came from a very large boned sire that was 85 plus pounds.

He originally had the thought that switching to raw was the answer to pano. He found with this dog it was not. The dog was raw fed and still got pano.

Elaine · 11-11-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jaggirl47

He originally had the thought that switching to raw was the answer to pano. He found with this dog it was not. The dog was raw fed and still got pano.

Just feeding raw is not the answer because most of those diets have some crazy nutritional profiles. Meeting your dog's exact nutritional needs is. My dog were fed to NRC requirements and did not get pano, nor has any of the dogs fed this way that I am aware of. The littermates to my dogs did get pano.

Mikelia · 11-11-2012, 02:11 PM

My one male had bad bouts of pano from about 5 months until he turned 2. After it started I was sure to keep him lean. He was raised on a grain free, free range meats kibble. I fed many different foods (never full raw though), tried vit c, had calcium, phosphorus, protein etc.. levels down to a pat. I tried every last thing I could and it never seemed to affect the pano bouts. I even considered trying dog chow as people with random bred, cheaply fed dogs seem to have no issues haha. He eventually outgrew it and thank god it is over. There has been a few dogs with the same sire that have had bouts of pano, but not as heavily as he did.
No one seems to have a real answer on if it is genetic or not, or if food affects it, or if xyz affects it. I remember reading once about a particular sire from the 50's or 60's that had pano and majority of our dogs today go back to that dog in one way or another. This was an asl dog but I have heard there was an influential german dog from way back when that had pano too. Who knows, but it really does plague our breed and it is a horrible thing for puppies to have to go through.

Elaine · 11-11-2012, 02:20 PM

You didn't feed to NRC requirements for your particular pup so you didn't have the nutritional levels down pat. Pano is horrible and can be avoided if they are fed correctly. I will say that feeding my way is a huge pain in the rear, but it's worth it.

jaggirl47 · 11-11-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Elaine

You didn't feed to NRC requirements for your particular pup so you didn't have the nutritional levels down pat. Pano is horrible and can be avoided if they are fed correctly. I will say that feeding my way is a huge pain in the rear, but it's worth it.

Saying this right here is right on the same level Leerburg was at. They thought the way they fed was the be all end all to keep from getting pano, until a pup came down with pano. This thought was shared and pushed so much, but it was refuted and shown to be not true.

onyx'girl · 11-11-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Elaine

You didn't feed to NRC requirements for your particular pup so you didn't have the nutritional levels down pat. Pano is horrible and can be avoided if they are fed correctly. I will say that feeding my way is a huge pain in the rear, but it's worth it.

What is your way?

jaggirl47 · 11-11-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by onyx'girl

What is your way?

I think this is:

Diet Analysis With Corrections

11-11-2012, 12:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 21,352	With Karlo I supplemented with vitamin C and his bouts were very mild. I didn't know about C's benefits when Onyx went through it. C will reduce inflammation, and I believe it did help lessen Karlo's. __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

11-11-2012, 02:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mikelia Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: ontario, canada Posts: 120	My one male had bad bouts of pano from about 5 months until he turned 2. After it started I was sure to keep him lean. He was raised on a grain free, free range meats kibble. I fed many different foods (never full raw though), tried vit c, had calcium, phosphorus, protein etc.. levels down to a pat. I tried every last thing I could and it never seemed to affect the pano bouts. I even considered trying dog chow as people with random bred, cheaply fed dogs seem to have no issues haha. He eventually outgrew it and thank god it is over. There has been a few dogs with the same sire that have had bouts of pano, but not as heavily as he did. No one seems to have a real answer on if it is genetic or not, or if food affects it, or if xyz affects it. I remember reading once about a particular sire from the 50's or 60's that had pano and majority of our dogs today go back to that dog in one way or another. This was an asl dog but I have heard there was an influential german dog from way back when that had pano too. Who knows, but it really does plague our breed and it is a horrible thing for puppies to have to go through. __________________ Eli - Hellwigg's Freedom in Stride RN CGN Cajun - Hellwigg`s Hot for Karma CGN TT UCC Evie - border collie mutt CGN Sweetie - APBT CGN

11-11-2012, 02:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
Elaine Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,832	You didn't feed to NRC requirements for your particular pup so you didn't have the nutritional levels down pat. Pano is horrible and can be avoided if they are fed correctly. I will say that feeding my way is a huge pain in the rear, but it's worth it. __________________ Elaine and the herd

11-11-2012, 01:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
Capone22 Master Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 988	I think weight plays a huge factor. Whether raw or kibble keeping them lean makes a big difference. I think on leerburg, his last dog that got pano in raw was a tad too thick. Once them got him down a couple pounds it went away. Sent from my iPhone using PG Free

11-11-2012, 01:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Capone22 Master Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 988	I would say genetic in how fast the parents grow. Does the line grow slow and steady? Or fast and then slow? Or do they tend to have spurts of rapid growth? Has there been any research to see if there is any correlation to growth patterns? Sent from my iPhone using PG Free

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