Infamous Hip Dysplasia - Page 5

BowWowMeow · 02-01-2012, 02:37 AM

I would recommend looking at studies that are done on dogs since their diseases processes are different and they synthesize C differently.

Here's a good, comprehensive summary: Ester-C: Miracle Cure for Hip Dysplasia???

Gwenhwyfair · 02-01-2012, 10:35 AM

Thanks for the link.

The only thing I would caution against is calling anything a 'miracle cure'.

I've only run across one story of a dog where the boney structure of the hip normalized with supplementation.

The best we can do is manage it to reduce the inflammation and concommitant arthritis, sans surgery.

Here's another article about Vitamin C (Ester-C), written by a vet which indicates positive results. I'm also going to put this information in my HD/Arthritis support thread in the health forum. (btw there's some discussion out there that HD may be induced by improper diets more so then genetic factors....)

http://www.arthrix.com/phil_brown.htm

BowWowMeow · 02-01-2012, 09:16 PM

I don't agree with the "Miracle Cure" wording either but my own experience has been that it's made a HUGE difference with Rafi and with several of my other dogs as well.

Evette · 02-04-2012, 04:08 AM

Gabe had an awful reaction to the Metacam! He couldn't get up anymore, wouldn't eat, wouldn't respond when I called him or sat right by his face and talked to him. There was no sign of any life in his eyes. I even gave him a smaller dose than what vet suggeted, gave him 0.7 ml instead of 1.5ml. I stopped the metacam immediately and he was back to normal the next day. I am giving him a break from the meds and then back on Carprieve on Monday. Not a good experience. I guess the meds works for different dogs and others it does not. Has anyone else had this kind of experience with these non steriod meds? I know all dogs are different but this incident really scared me!

I am massaging Gabe now and researched acupuncture points and started do practice that on Gabe myself (not with the needles, just by applying gentle pressure and using an acupuncture pen) i found a wonderful chart on Dog Acupressure (not Acupuncture) Resources - Lucky Dog Health

**jocoyn** · 02-04-2012, 05:37 AM

I am sorry on the metacam since it worked so well for me. I do think dogs reactions are different. All these NSAIDs are very similar with the main thing about Metacam being the ability to lower the dose so easily.

**jocoyn** · 02-04-2012, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair

Thanks for the link.

The only thing I would caution against is calling anything a 'miracle cure'.

I've only run across one story of a dog where the boney structure of the hip normalized with supplementation.

The best we can do is manage it to reduce the inflammation and concommitant arthritis, sans surgery.

Here's another article about Vitamin C (Ester-C), written by a vet which indicates positive results. I'm also going to put this information in my HD/Arthritis support thread in the health forum. (btw there's some discussion out there that HD may be induced by improper diets more so then genetic factors....)

Arthrix.com - Information

I definitely want to be open minded about vitamin C and dysplasia - but that article is on a product web page advertising k9 arthritis products...

Gwenhwyfair · 02-06-2012, 10:33 AM

I noticed that too. I give more weight to articles written by vets overall and this is written by a vet. Having said that....you just never know what someone's agenda may be....

I linked pro and con vit C articles in my HD arthritis support thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jocoyn

I definitely want to be open minded about vitamin C and dysplasia - but that article is on a product web page advertising k9 arthritis products...

Gwenhwyfair · 02-06-2012, 10:45 AM

So sorry for your bad experience with metacam. I have Ilda on Meloxicam as needed for pain. She's done fine with it.

I too have been working on the accupressure and massage!

I started a general support thread for HD/Arthritis and ortho issues. On my first post at the bottom you'll find a link to videos with demonstrations of massage and accupressure to specifically help dogs with H.D. You may find these visual guides helpful too.

Hip Dysplasia/Arthitis/Ortho Support & Info

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evette

Gabe had an awful reaction to the Metacam! He couldn't get up anymore, wouldn't eat, wouldn't respond when I called him or sat right by his face and talked to him. There was no sign of any life in his eyes. I even gave him a smaller dose than what vet suggeted, gave him 0.7 ml instead of 1.5ml. I stopped the metacam immediately and he was back to normal the next day. I am giving him a break from the meds and then back on Carprieve on Monday. Not a good experience. I guess the meds works for different dogs and others it does not. Has anyone else had this kind of experience with these non steriod meds? I know all dogs are different but this incident really scared me!

I am massaging Gabe now and researched acupuncture points and started do practice that on Gabe myself (not with the needles, just by applying gentle pressure and using an acupuncture pen) i found a wonderful chart on Dog Acupressure (not Acupuncture) Resources - Lucky Dog Health

Dakotasmom23 · 02-07-2012, 03:33 PM

Can you get Previcoxx? I had a rottweiler with severe hip dysplasia. We did the FHO srugery on one of his hips at 9 months old, I did acupuncture, we lived in Hawaii at the time, so I took him swimming every single day. Around age 7 the other hip started bothering him so we put him on Previcoxx. What a difference! I swear, that drug was a miracle for him. Can you take him swimming frequently? That will really help build up muscle in the legs without stressing the joints.

Evette · 02-14-2012, 05:03 PM

Hi, I thought that I would share an update on Gabe’s progress. Gabe is doing fantastic! He initiated a walk outside of the garden yesterday and he pulled me all the way, I just followed him until he turned around himself to go home. He went for a walk for the first time in 4 weeks. I was doing the happy dance all the way!

He does not yelp when he gets up anymore. The first sign was the Gabe starting catching flies in the air again, which to us means that he is starting to become the gold Gabe again.

I found a chinese acupuncture on the island and will take Gabe to him tomorrow. He didn’t speak very well English, so I don’t know if he got the bit that its for a dog :-D Regardless, I will stand at his office until he helps Gabe.

Taking Gabe to the beach for the first time today.

Thank you for everyone’s advice, it really helped a lot!!

02-01-2012, 02:37 AM	#41 (permalink)
BowWowMeow Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 14,797	I would recommend looking at studies that are done on dogs since their diseases processes are different and they synthesize C differently. Here's a good, comprehensive summary: Ester-C: Miracle Cure for Hip Dysplasia??? __________________ Ruth & the 4 Legged Rescue Gang Rafi the malaroo http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238 Gio & Varda, the krazy kittens ....In my heart: Cleo Kitty Chama Kai Basu Massie

02-01-2012, 10:35 AM	#42 (permalink)
Gwenhwyfair Master Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 877	Thanks for the link. The only thing I would caution against is calling anything a 'miracle cure'. I've only run across one story of a dog where the boney structure of the hip normalized with supplementation. The best we can do is manage it to reduce the inflammation and concommitant arthritis, sans surgery. Here's another article about Vitamin C (Ester-C), written by a vet which indicates positive results. I'm also going to put this information in my HD/Arthritis support thread in the health forum. (btw there's some discussion out there that HD may be induced by improper diets more so then genetic factors....) http://www.arthrix.com/phil_brown.htm __________________ "Smitty" GSD (rescue) ~ Happy goober dog "Ilda" GSD WGSL 4/28/10 ~ Wild Thing "Autumn" Australian Shepherd 10/9/11 ~ Fluff Ball

02-01-2012, 09:16 PM	#43 (permalink)
BowWowMeow Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 14,797	I don't agree with the "Miracle Cure" wording either but my own experience has been that it's made a HUGE difference with Rafi and with several of my other dogs as well. __________________ Ruth & the 4 Legged Rescue Gang Rafi the malaroo http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238 Gio & Varda, the krazy kittens ....In my heart: Cleo Kitty Chama Kai Basu Massie

02-04-2012, 05:37 AM	#45 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,048	I am sorry on the metacam since it worked so well for me. I do think dogs reactions are different. All these NSAIDs are very similar with the main thing about Metacam being the ability to lower the dose so easily. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

02-07-2012, 03:33 PM	#49 (permalink)
Dakotasmom23 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 154	Can you get Previcoxx? I had a rottweiler with severe hip dysplasia. We did the FHO srugery on one of his hips at 9 months old, I did acupuncture, we lived in Hawaii at the time, so I took him swimming every single day. Around age 7 the other hip started bothering him so we put him on Previcoxx. What a difference! I swear, that drug was a miracle for him. Can you take him swimming frequently? That will really help build up muscle in the legs without stressing the joints. __________________ Dakota...GSD (10/16/2011) Boomer...Akbash/Great Pyrenees Mix (9/2008)

02-04-2012, 04:08 AM	#44 (permalink)
Evette New Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: South Pacific Islands Posts: 22	Gabe had an awful reaction to the Metacam! He couldn't get up anymore, wouldn't eat, wouldn't respond when I called him or sat right by his face and talked to him. There was no sign of any life in his eyes. I even gave him a smaller dose than what vet suggeted, gave him 0.7 ml instead of 1.5ml. I stopped the metacam immediately and he was back to normal the next day. I am giving him a break from the meds and then back on Carprieve on Monday. Not a good experience. I guess the meds works for different dogs and others it does not. Has anyone else had this kind of experience with these non steriod meds? I know all dogs are different but this incident really scared me! I am massaging Gabe now and researched acupuncture points and started do practice that on Gabe myself (not with the needles, just by applying gentle pressure and using an acupuncture pen) i found a wonderful chart on Dog Acupressure (not Acupuncture) Resources - Lucky Dog Health

02-14-2012, 05:03 PM	#50 (permalink)
Evette New Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: South Pacific Islands Posts: 22	Hi, I thought that I would share an update on Gabe’s progress. Gabe is doing fantastic! He initiated a walk outside of the garden yesterday and he pulled me all the way, I just followed him until he turned around himself to go home. He went for a walk for the first time in 4 weeks. I was doing the happy dance all the way! He does not yelp when he gets up anymore. The first sign was the Gabe starting catching flies in the air again, which to us means that he is starting to become the gold Gabe again. I found a chinese acupuncture on the island and will take Gabe to him tomorrow. He didn’t speak very well English, so I don’t know if he got the bit that its for a dog :-D Regardless, I will stand at his office until he helps Gabe. Taking Gabe to the beach for the first time today. Thank you for everyone’s advice, it really helped a lot!!

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