What is "wolf sable"?

[jaggirl47]

I was looking at Zappa's pedigree the other day because of his coloring and I recalled that his sire was a sable. In his pedigree, his sire's parents are both listed as black/tan and as you go another generation it says the coloring is a wolf sable. I was just wondering because I have been digging through his pedigree and trying to research alot of the dogs in his past.

[Lauri & The Gang]

Wolf Sable, as per the Pomeranian Club of America:

Quote:A wolf sable has a light grey undercoat with a deeper shade of steel grey guard hairs ending in black tippings. There must not be cream or an orange cast to the base color. The points (eye rims, nose, lips and pads) are black.

Looks like this:



I don't think it's an actual color designation in GSDs??

[GSDTrain]

I *think* wolf sable just means that it is a grey/black sable, like wolf colors. I could be wrong though.

[GSDTrain]

Maybe this will help: http://www.horandvongrafrath.com/
http://www.total-german-shepherd.com...Shepherds.html

[jaggirl47]

Thanks Ashley. So, basically they are just sable GSD's then? That's kind of what I got from the website.
Lauri, I tried to post a copy of Zappa's AKC pedigree but had issues. It is actually listed on his official pedigree as wolf sable, so I guess it's recognized. Who knows with the AKC though.
Also, I thought you couldn't get a sable from anything but a sable.

Zappa's grandsire:

Granada's Don Lobo
D799954 09-95
Black & Cream

Zappa's granddam:

Granada's Sandonna
DL527451/05 09-95
Black & Tan

Zappa's sire:

Granada's Chico Lobo
DL588161/02 11-00
Sable

I don't know what color sable to tell you he was, but I do remember that he was extremely large (around 110-115ish) and he was a darker sable.
BTW, they are not on OFFA or anything else. Zappa is 100% purebred BYB.

[phgsd]

Genetically yes one parent has to be a sable for the offspring to be sable. But some B&T dogs can be registered incorrectly. My first GSD's dam was a sable but looked very much like a black and tan, she was registered incorrectly by the AKC as a B&T even tho her SV papers said sable.
It could also be a mixup with the breeding but colors on AKC papers aren't *always* correct.

[jaggirl47]

So, I posted pics of Zappa on here to find out what color he really was because he doesn't look like a standard blk/tan that he is registered under. I wish you guys could see him in person because his coloring is SOOO much better in person. He is blk/red/tan/cream/silver. Here a few of the pics of him.







Is it possible to be a mixture of a sable and a blk/tan for coloring? He doesn't look like a standard blk/tan or a standard sable color. I'm just wondering because I LOVE his coloring but I don't see the mixture of coloring alot.

[jfisher]

Actually, I'd say he's a sable! Pretty boy!

-Jackie

[jaggirl47]

Even when his black is "blacker", he still has ALOT of color. It's just so hard to get good pics that really show all of his coloring. grrr Wouldn't it be great if we had a 1st annual GSD forum meetup? Then we could really see each other's dogs!

[GSDTrain]

going off previous pictures you posted of him before you shaved him i would say he is blk/tan.