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Old 07-17-2014, 06:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My vet scheduled 5 series of puppy shots for Ace. The first 2 were given in front of us..but why the next 2 had to be given in a separate room ? Is this normal ?? Should i ask the vet to give the shots in front of us ? Will it offend him ?
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Old 07-18-2014, 08:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Ace: This YOUR dog and YOUR money! Forget about offending him! If it does....get a new vet!

He gave him 4 vacc's in one day....2 in the room and 2 in the back room? What were they? It should show on your receipt.

This is the schedule that Dr. Jean Dodds (vaccination researcher) recommends:
9-10 Weeks Old:
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV (e.g. Merck Nobivac [Intervet Progard] Puppy DPV)

14-16 Weeks:
Same as above

20 Weeks or Older (if allowable by law):
Rabies

1 Year:
Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV (optional = titer)

1 Year:
Rabies, killed 3-year product (give 3-4 weeks apart from distemper/parvovirus booster)

Perform vaccine antibody titers for distemper and parvovirus every three years thereafter, or more often, if desired. Vaccinate for rabies virus according to the law, except where circumstances indicate that a written waiver needs to be obtained from the primary care veterinarian. In that case, a rabies antibody titer can also be performed to accompany the waiver request. See the Rabies Challenge Fund website.
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For Dr. Dodds’ position on various canine vaccines, please refer to the following posts:
Frequently Asked Questions about Titers and Vaccination Protocol
Dr. Ron Schultz on Lyme Vaccine
Dr. Ron Schultz on Leptospirosis Vaccines
Kennel Cough Complex Vaccines
Infectious Canine Hepatitis
Canine Influenza (H3N8)
Vaccinations: A Global Perspective
Taking The Risk Out Of Puppy Shots by Dogs Naturally on July 12, 2011 Taking The Risk Out Of Puppy Shots | Dogs Naturally Magazine Protecting Your Puppy From Disease: Protecting Your Puppy From Disease | Dogs Naturally Magazine
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Old 07-18-2014, 08:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh not in 1 day srry i didnt say it right. He scheduled 2 weeks intervals but i wasnt comfortable so i made it 3 weeks intervals. I read some of those thanks thats why i dont feel good about giving lepto and rabies at the same day .
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Oh not in 1 day srry i didnt say it right. He scheduled 2 weeks intervals but i wasnt comfortable so i made it 3 weeks intervals. I read some of those thanks thats why i dont feel good about giving lepto and rabies at the same day .
Then DON'T do it! Your instincts are correct! Talk about overtaxing the immune system!!!!!

Unless Lepto abounds in your area, I would think twice before I would give this to my dog.
“Since there are so many Leptospirosis serovars out there, and since the pathogenic strains vary, and since the vaccines cannot guarantee protection from infection, it would make better sense to not inject your dog with any Leptospira vaccines. The trade offs to avoiding adverse events from vaccination - not the least of which can be renal failure within 48 hours of injection, or four years of dermatitis and puritis – would be the human caretakers actually knowing their dog is sick with a pathogenic strain and having their dog presented immediately for treatment.27 To do this, animal guardians need to be aware of the symptoms of Leptospirosis in the dog.” http://dr-jordan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/LEPTOMANIA-by-Dr.-Patricia-Jordan.pdf

"Lepto is a very adverse event associated vaccine and the damndest thing is that lepto vaccines simply do not work. Dr Ron Schultz (the world's foremost independent authority on canine vaccines) hates to see them in with anything else and, in puppies, advises that they are completely finished with the viral inoculations before getting a vaccine against Lepto, which he neither recommends nor advocates - even in Lepto endemic areas.
"I have seen older dogs go into kidney failure within two days of receiving a Lepto vaccine."
Vaccines can also cause the disease you're attempting to prevent. In the Canine Health Concern vaccine survey, 100% of dogs with leptospirosis contracted it just after being vaccinated against it. Leptospirosis, of course, attacks the kidneys - and the puppy had severe kidney damage. http://www.dogsadverserea...cines/vaccineDamage.html
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Not sure why they took your pup in the back. But at the next visit, just ask that they do the vaccines in the room with you. No big deal really. Your veterinarian should not care.




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Old 07-18-2014, 09:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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OK so he is scheduled for
Rabies,Parvo,Lyme#2 and Lepto. I'm just gonna ask them to schedule lepto another day. About asking to get the shots done in the room ill have to toughen up about that lol... thats my weakness and i hate it.. im too scared to offend people most of the time But i gotta protect my baby here.
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OK so he is scheduled for
Rabies,Parvo,Lyme#2 and Lepto. I'm just gonna ask them to schedule lepto another day. About asking to get the shots done in the room ill have to toughen up about that lol... thats my weakness and i hate it.. im too scared to offend people most of the time But i gotta protect my baby here.
I'd give this visit a little more thought before agreeing to this.

And do more reading and research about how prominent the lepto is in your area to see if you can avoid THAT shot. The Lepto only covers certain strains.

Rabies should be given separate and 4 weeks away from any other vac's.

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In my opinion they are loading him with to much at one time.

My aussie puppy got a total of 3, (not at one time),,booster types,, it was only parvo/distemper..one at 6 weeks by the breeder, one at 8 weeks by the breeder (and that was to close in my opinion..At 11 weeks the last parvo/distemper, then at 15 weeks rabies.
That was IT..Not doing lepto, not doing Lyme.

I agree with others, YOU are this puppies owner, YOU tell them what YOU want, NOT what "THEY" want
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I would ask for a list of the vacs that have been given and when they were administered and start looking for a new vet. Whether this guy is milking you for money, or just doesn't know better than to not overload your pup, you can find a better vet.
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I know how confusing all this seems- it's tough to figure out what to do, when so many people/vets say so many things that contradict each other! With my vet, he agrees that giving rabies (or any non-core vax) at the same time as the booster is not the best way. BUT he also acknowledges that this practice is pretty common, and most people don't want the inconvenience of multiple vet visits. I stagger the shots with my dog, and he doesn't charge me for the return visit, just the shot itself.

The back room thing shouldn't be an issue, just say you want to be with your pup. I've had techs reach out for the leash before, but I just smile and say no. It's really not a big deal, I think it's just easier for them and might save some time. But nothing they'd risk losing a customer over.
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