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arctic 07-06-2014 11:10 AM

Ideal Routine when Raising Two Puppies
 
Can someone who has successfully raised TWO puppies at once provide an ideal schedule?

I have one that will be 6 months old when I have the opportunity to add another one who is 8 weeks old. I realize this will be time-consuming but do have the assistance of a trainer who my current dog goes to train & stay with in the daytime 2-3 days a week.

A possible routine might look like this in my mind:

8-9am Wake up: Take younger puppy out to potty. Take older puppy out to potty.

9-10am Feed Breakfast & Train: Take older puppy out to feed & train (I feed by the kibble for breakfast and she has to earn each kibble by performing obedience or fetch); Take younger puppy out to feed & train.

10am - 11am Crate both dogs while I eat breakfast and shower.

11am - 4pm This is normally when I take my puppy for a long walk, go to a local cafe, and work on my computer for 4-5 hours. I eat my lunch there. I also feed her by the kibble for performing obedience. My dog almost always falls asleep at the cafe under the table for at least several hours.

**I'm assuming walking both dogs, with one at 8 weeks of age, will be very difficult. Any solutions?

**I also sometimes go to the gym and leave my older puppy in the car. She always behaves well and falls asleep while I'm working out. Will leaving TWO puppies in the car be an issue?

**I'm also assuming having TWO dogs at the cafe may mean neither will sleep or behave. This would be a serious problem because I have to work somewhere for at least 4-5 hours in the daytime. Any solutions?

**4-5pm I take another long walk back home. I would presumably have to do this with two dogs. Again, may be a problem.

5pm I would feed both dogs for staying successfully in their crates

5pm - 7pm Dogs are in crate while I have dinner (or take a siesta)

7pm - Midnight: Younger puppy in ExPen. Older puppy is allowed in living room supervised. I take them out for potty breaks as needed.

Midnight: Both sleep in crate

3-4am: Younger puppy will need to be taken out for the first 3-4 weeks.


Having actually written this out, it seems that the bulk of the daytime hours when I'm walking, running errands, sitting in a cafe & working on my computer, going to the gym, etc. is going to be the biggest problem.

Should I hire someone to watch over the younger puppy during the daytime 3-4 days a week until she is older and can walk & stay together with the older puppy and I?

Or is the very act of walking together, staying together, in the day time, likely to cause "littermate syndrome"?


This was long but actually helpful for me to write out as I weigh the feasibility of adding another puppy of my dreams.

arctic 07-06-2014 11:36 AM

The more I think about, the more it appears that 11am to 4pm when I normally take my dog out for a walk, run errands, sit in a cafe, may have to be put on hold for at least 2 months.

This would allow me to exercise and train each dog separately at home, and work from my computer from home so that I have access to the crates and ExPen as needed.

But I'm still wondering -- after two months of this -- would a 8 month old German Shepherd and a 4 month old Golden Retriever -- be able to calmly walk together and calmly stay in the down position together at a local cafe, while I run errands, while they wait in the car, etc. -- assuming continued daily training go remain so?

Or am I still making them spend too much time together and leading to littermate syndrome and co-dependency?

shepherdmom 07-06-2014 11:45 AM

You sound like a person who likes routine. Two puppies are chaos. There is no predicting or planning a routine. Its like having kids. You have to go with the flow at times.

dogfaeries 07-06-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arctic (Post 5737561)
But I'm still wondering -- after two months of this -- would a 8 month old German Shepherd and a 4 month old Golden Retriever -- be able to calmly walk together and calmly stay in the down position together at a local cafe, while I run errands, while they wait in the car, etc. -- assuming continued daily training go remain so?

Or am I still making them spend too much time together and leading to littermate syndrome and co-dependency?


Carly was about 7 months old when I added Sage at around 9 weeks old. I didn't want two puppies at the same time, but if I wanted a puppy out of my favorite bitch, then I had to jump on it. It was her second, and last, litter.

That said, in spite of my fears, it has worked for me, and probably because they have very distinct and different personalities. However, looking at your schedule, there is no way that the two of them could have ever been quiet under a cafe table as puppies! It has been nonstop wrestling and playing between those two for the last 4 years. Walking the two of them when they were younger, just meant that Sage was constantly dive bombing on Carly. The upside is that they burned off a ton of energy just playing with each other. I didn't ever have to deal with any of the landsharking that is common in GSD puppies, because they were always chewing on each other.

Honestly, I think if you are going to take on another puppy, you are going to have give up some of the freedom you have right now. Having two puppies isn't just double the work, it's ALOT more work. Think "partners in crime'...

arctic 07-06-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dogfaeries (Post 5737729)
Carly was about 7 months old when I added Sage at around 9 weeks old. I didn't want two puppies at the same time, but if I wanted a puppy out of my favorite bitch, then I had to jump on it. It was her second, and last, litter.

That said, in spite of my fears, it has worked for me, and probably because they have very distinct and different personalities. However, looking at your schedule, there is no way that the two of them could have ever been quiet under a cafe table as puppies! It has been nonstop wrestling and playing between those two for the last 4 years. Walking the two of them when they were younger, just meant that Sage was constantly dive bombing on Carly. The upside is that they burned off a ton of energy just playing with each other. I didn't ever have to deal with any of the landsharking that is common in GSD puppies, because they were always chewing on each other.

Honestly, I think if you are going to take on another puppy, you are going to have give up some of the freedom you have right now. Having two puppies isn't just double the work, it's ALOT more work. Think "partners in crime'...


Thanks for sharing that experience. It's really making me think twice about adding another puppy.

But would any of this change if I got the puppy after my current GSD turned 1 years old?

It would seem that aside from a somewhat better behaved GSD, all of the other problems would remain in terms of a crazed puppy jumping on the teenage GSD, not able to walk both of them at the same time, not being able to take them both out to a cafe for long periods of time, etc?

shepherdmom 07-06-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arctic (Post 5737801)
Thanks for sharing that experience. It's really making me think twice about adding another puppy.

But would any of this change if I got the puppy after my current GSD turned 1 years old?

It would seem that aside from a somewhat better behaved GSD, all of the other problems would remain in terms of a crazed puppy jumping on the teenage GSD, not able to walk both of them at the same time, not being able to take them both out to a cafe for long periods of time, etc?

Walking them together once they are trained shouldn't be a problem, but it is while training the puppy you will have to go on two walks. The pouncing and playing together calms down as they get older and they are willing to lay side by side. You just want to wear them out first. Let them be dogs and play and then they should down stay together. My boys (littermates) were fine with it once they got past that initial puppy stage where they had to work out energy and dominance.

dogfaeries 07-06-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shepherdmom (Post 5738065)
Walking them together once they are trained shouldn't be a problem, but it is while training the puppy you will have to go on two walks. The pouncing and playing together calms down as they get older and they are willing to lay side by side. You just want to wear them out first. Let them be dogs and play and then they should down stay together. My boys (littermates) were fine with it once they got past that initial puppy stage where they had to work out energy and dominance.

Yep. That's been my experience too. The older girl Carly has been dominate from day one, so there was nothing to work out. Sage has always excepted it. Of course now we have 16 month old Russell in the mix. Yikes! I need my head examined.

arctic 07-06-2014 02:16 PM

How long did it take you to train each dog so that they would both walk on loose leash individually, then together on loosh leash, as well as calmly down stay (and ideally sleep) when together?

I'm even willing to consider having a "dog sitter" type person (maybe a college student who has time and could use some extra cash) stay with me Monday through Friday during the daytime for the first 2-3 months to help with the 2 puppy logistics!


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