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Old 03-19-2014, 09:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation Another crate accident.

So if you look back at the other threads in forum category, you can see that I posted a thread regarding almost the same issue that I'm about to post about now. So check back at it if you haven't already, to make sure that you understand what I'm talking about.
To start off someone in the other forum told me that not giving Rosco any water after 7 pm would help (that's what he/she does when house training). I was a bit unsure. going through a whole 12 hours without water... well i tries it anyway because I didn't want another crate accident happening again. So a little time after 6 pm I fed Rosco and 30 minutes later i took him out to pee. And he didn't go... that was a bit weird because earlier at like 5 pm after our walk he drank A LOT of water. So i stayed outside for 45 min waiting for him to go pee, which he didn't. I took him inside because all he was doing was lying on the grass trying to sleep. I brought him in and he had more water and i took his water dish away. I waited another hour before my mom took him out again, and she said he didn't pee just poop. Another hour or 2 later (after his nap) my mom took him out again because i was in the shower. She told me that he didn't pee again. Now I was getting really concerned. It was bedtime now so I put him in his crate. He all night he cried. But unlike last night he howled almost like he was in pain sometimes. So much worse than the first night we had. At 1 am I took him outside to see if had to pee (didn't take him out at night the night before). And he DIDN'T GO PEE!!!! So we stood outside for 5 minutes and all he did was lie down and stare at me. So i tried walking around but all he did was sit down in the wet grass (it was pouring outside). So I thought that he just didn't have to go. I brought him back inside and put him in his crate. A few hours later (at around 5 am) I heard him peeing in his crate. I quickly took him out of his crate and cleaned up his mess. I put him back in and that was that. Why didn't he go pee the times we took him out? I'm sure that he had to go? Why only in his crate? I wonder if it was because it was raining outside that he didn't want to go. He was panting soooo much when I took him out at night. He looked very thirsty and he still is. Many people told me to get a divider to make his crate small but actually I think it fits him almost perfectly. The crate is only 1 or 2 inches longer than he is. And he was just fine taking several naps in it through out the day. As a matter of fact that's all he wanted to do! I know that a few people told me not to let him sleep in the evening much so that he's tired for bed but how am I supposed to do that? When I try to play a game with him he just lies down and tries to sleep on the floor. At night hes just awful in there! I feel like I'm torturing him in there. He always wants to be with me, and I have to lock him up at night. Do you think I could leave the crate open at night so that he can go in and out of it? I know he's fine in it as long as he's not locked in it. I don't know what do you guys think? Am i doing something wrong?
I am REALLY sorry for the super long story. I don't like to skip out information that could be important.
Oh and by the way he's doing really well in the house so far. He hasn't had a single accident inside yet (except for the one in the crate).
Thanks sooo much, i appreciate all of your advice
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am sorry, I havent read your other posts so I am not familiar with the back story. How old is your dog right now?
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Every time my boyfriend took my pup out to pee, he didn't know if he was peeing or not because of the discreet way he'd pee. Lol. Are you super sure he's not peeing? My pup stands in one spot semi-leaning his lower end toward the ground.. doesn't even look like he's peeing, but he is. I had to show my BF the way he stands, where he stands, etc. You should also try to keep 1 designated area for potty, it'll also help with knowing when your pup goes or not cuz they'll always go back to that spot to go and as much as it sucks, take him out every 2-4 hours. I've been waking up 2 or 3 times a night just to take him potty and sometimes he goes, sometimes he doesn't, but he's never pee'd in the crate. When he pee's outside, click and reward if you're click training or just give him lots of vocal praise so he knows when you take him out to potty, he should potty.

When he pees, does he pee A LOT or is it a small amount? If he doesn't pee all day and only pee's a little, you might wanna take him to the vet.. could be a bladder infection or UTI.. or something else, IDK. :\

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If I knew the puppy needed to pee then I spent as much time outside as needed and threw a praise party when it finally happened, sometimes it was 5 seconds and sometimes it was over 30 minutes.

The fact he was refusing and then howling sounds like he might have a UTI or something else causing him pain
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:57 AM   #5 (permalink)
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How old is your pup? Some dogs are very stubborn and this takes a long time to train. It can make you insane but do your best not to get mad at the puppy. If it was me I would take him out as often as I can until he does pee outside and you see it then throw a party like he just won the lotto! I think it helps if you take them to the same area to pee every time. Make sure you get a cleaner with enzymes to remove the pee smell from the crate. I don't know for sure if it would help but if it is a plastic crate you could try dumping the pee from the crate outside where you expect him to go. Once a dog goes in a certain area they associate that with the place to pee if that smell is around. I had similar issues with my girl, if you have patience and are really positive when they go outside eventually it just clicks with them that this is the correct spot. Then it is just a matter of being vigilant with cleaning up any spots inside with a good cleaner. I also suggest if you see them start to pee inside take them right outside to the spot where you want them to pee. Also a key word for when you want them to go helps like potty or whatever.
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How old is your pup? Some dogs are very stubborn and this takes a long time to train. It can make you insane but do your best not to get mad at the puppy. If it was me I would take him out as often as I can until he does pee outside and you see it then throw a party like he just won the lotto! I think it helps if you take them to the same area to pee every time. Make sure you get a cleaner with enzymes to remove the pee smell from the crate. I don't know for sure if it would help but if it is a plastic crate you could try dumping the pee from the crate outside where you expect him to go. Once a dog goes in a certain area they associate that with the place to pee if that smell is around. I had similar issues with my girl, if you have patience and are really positive when they go outside eventually it just clicks with them that this is the correct spot. Then it is just a matter of being vigilant with cleaning up any spots inside with a good cleaner. I also suggest if you see them start to pee inside take them right outside to the spot where you want them to pee. Also a key word for when you want them to go helps like potty or whatever.
He's 3 1/2 moths old. And I do throw a party for him when he goes pee lol.
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He's 3 1/2 moths old. And I do throw a party for him when he goes pee lol.
Be extremely happy your puppy will pick up on it. Good boy, yay etc happy up voice. Pet him and let him know you are happy with what he did. Give him a treat or his favorite toy to play with. Eventually the mix of always having any pee spot inside cleaned with a good cleaner with enzymes, the smell of the enzymes outside and your excitement over going in the right place will click. Some dogs take longer than other for it to work out, mine was one of them so I understand your frustration.
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Some pups are just slow to house break.
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Be extremely happy your puppy will pick up on it. Good boy, yay etc happy up voice. Pet him and let him know you are happy with what he did. Give him a treat or his favorite toy to play with. Eventually the mix of always having any pee spot inside cleaned with a good cleaner with enzymes, the smell of the enzymes outside and your excitement over going in the right place will click. Some dogs take longer than other for it to work out, mine was one of them so I understand your frustration.
So then what if he pee's in his crate again? And why is he crying like he's dying? Could he sleep with his crate open?
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So then what if he pee's in his crate again? And why is he crying like he's dying? Could he sleep with his crate open?
If he pees in his crate if possible take him directly outside to where you want him to pee and give him the word you say when it's time to pee. Give him a few minutes if possible. Even if he doesn't go he should start to associate that spot with peeing. Then get a cleaner with enzymes and clean out the crate, if you can don't have him see you clean out the crate. Make sure the cleaner has enzymes so that it destroys the smell of pee in the crate so he doesn't associate that with the place to go. Make sure not to scold him for going in the crate. Eventually he will go in the place you want just make sure you let him know that he is doing the right thing.

This is what I did with my dog it took a while but she is completely house broken. My last dog was house trained in two days this one took three months. It can be extremely frustrating I know.
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