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Gonçalo 03-05-2014 02:58 PM

Can I take my 3½ puppy outside?
 
Hello everyone!

Kia took her first shot/vaccine a few weeks ago and she has to take the next one next week so I was wondering if it's a big risk to take her for a walk in the woods next to my house. Note that she sleeps outside and never comes inside, she's like a guarding dog, we don't allow her into the house. She has always been healthy and everything.

Kia is 3 months and 15 days old.

Sealdoc 03-05-2014 03:48 PM

Wow, she is still a baby!! I hope she is a temperature controlled environment and that she gets time with family etc for socialization. What a lonely life for such a baby.

Gonçalo 03-05-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sealdoc (Post 5140713)
Wow, she is still a baby!! I hope she is a temperature controlled environment and that she gets time with family etc for socialization. What a lonely life for such a baby.

Not lonely at all. We have many animals on the yard, 3 cats, 2 Belgian Malinois, and 1 no-breed dog. Plus we spend lots of time with her. All the German Shepherd guides that I've read say that it's a dog who like the outside since it requires lots of exercise. And I live in Portugal, 15ºC to 40ºC through the year.

That doesn't answer my question though :/

middleofnowhere 03-05-2014 04:33 PM

As I understand it here in the states, you want to keep a puppy away from areas unknown dogs frequent until 2 weeks after their FINAL puppy shots. This is only her first series that was given, second series pending -- The answer lies in what frequents your woods? And what diseases might they carry in your area.

Here, I've walked puppies quite young but away from where a lot of other dogs visit.

Gonçalo 03-05-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by middleofnowhere (Post 5141049)
As I understand it here in the states, you want to keep a puppy away from areas unknown dogs frequent until 2 weeks after their FINAL puppy shots. This is only her first series that was given, second series pending -- The answer lies in what frequents your woods? And what diseases might they carry in your area.

Here, I've walked puppies quite young but away from where a lot of other dogs visit.

Exactly what I was planning :wild: I use an app on my phone when I go jogging/running/walking and I always use secondary routes (sometimes the path is not even marked on the map ehehe), we don't have many dogs here in the town where I live either.

So if I walk her through places that I'm almost sure that almost no dogs visit it, it's ok?

brightspot 03-05-2014 04:49 PM

I suggest caution. What about foxes, skunks, raccoons, and other small critters? They can carry diseases like rabies. The pup might eat feces and pick up parasites. His little immune system might not be up to the challenge yet.

Gonçalo 03-05-2014 05:02 PM

I found this on the web:

"The biggest reason most people have behaviour problems with their dogs is due to lack of early socialisation and keeping a puppy away from everything at this age is going to affect it's future temperament. So there has to be a compromise. I wouldn't recommend you take your puppy anywhere and everywhere but carefully choosing areas that aren't too heavily dog populated would be ideal to start taking him.
You can always carry him places too. Get him used to the car. Take him to friends houses. Walk with a friends dog providing it's friendly and healthy.
Once the early weeks of a puppies life has gone, you can't regain it no matter how hard you try. It's important that 3-12 weeks of age the puppy isn't locked away. Their brain is like a little sponge at this stage - they learns, absorb information, and gets used to other amimals and people it has to spend the rest of it's life around.
There is of course the risk of it catching an illness if you take it out and about but I'd personally rather risk that than have a nervous or unsociable dog for the next 15 years.
A vet is obliged to tell you to keep it in until fully vaccinated because of the risk of disease but there is enough evidence to prove that this is terribly detrimental to the dogs future behaviour and ability to cope in society.
Where is the most likely place your dog will get an illness from another ill dog? Where do people take their dog when it's sick or seriously ill? The vets - the most likely place your dog will pick up a disease yet we don't hesitate to take our new puppy there. Therefore the risks involved of taking your puppy to a friends house are minute in comparison.

The reason dogs years ago were all sociable, well balanced etc is because vaccination programmes didn't exist and puppies were raised in a family home and mixed with lots of different things from walking age. Now thousands of dogs are euthanased every year because they are aggressive or unable to mix in society safely and this could have been avoided with early socialisation as well as other factors."

brightspot 03-05-2014 05:08 PM

That is totally right. I took my pup places where dogs don't normally go when he was 3 and 4 months old -- before the puppy shots were completed. For example, we went to an outdoor concert where he met people of all ages, food trucks, balloons, umbrellas, and the Chick-Fil-A cow in full costume. He is a confident 10-month old now with solid nerves. I think the risk was worth it.


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