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Old 12-30-2013, 11:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Last Tuesday I got a female GSD from Petland. I hate pet stores but I can't resist going in and looking and after losing my blind\diabetic dog on 12/11 I've just missed taking extra care of a dog so I think thats what got me going in there anyways. I saw this GSD and asked about her, they wouldn't let me play with her since they got her that day and she still hadn't been to the vet. I fell in love with her so I came back the next day when they opened, played with her and bought her.

She turned 11 weeks old yesterday and has been great, she learned her name in just hours and learned sit so far, is almost completely house broken and working on shake. I took her back to the vet today because after having her 6 days I noticed that every poop she has made is either soft or diarrhea, this morning there was blood so I wasn't going to wait any longer for it to clear up she also stopped eating last night.

The vet did some tests and said her health is great except that she tested positive for giardia and prescribed Flagyl. I've seen charted online say that at 12 weeks female GSD should weight 30lb and while my girl is only 11 weeks she is only has 16LB, she has gained 2lb in the past week despite the parasite. Are these charts right and do I have a small GSD or will she just catch up later? Don't get me wrong, I love her but I just wanna make sure she is as healthy as the vet says.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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well as you know, puppies that come from there originate
in puppy mills, so that could be why her health is tenuous,
leaving mom and siblings and traveling to petstore and
being sold there is tremendously stressful to puppies and
anything that's going to get them seems to.
Be glad she's not a parvo victim as that seems to run rampant
in pet store purchased puppies
keep up with vet visits and follow their directions
get her on a good food
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Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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I've had her 6 days and she went to the vet today because I noticed the soft stools, she started medication today, they have me 10 days worth of pills. She didn't eat much at all the past 2 days but she pigged out and ate all 3 meals today and had her first pill. She doesn't look skinny at all, the vet said her weight is perfect but according to all these GSD weight lists I found online shes half the weight for a 3 month old.

I'm hoping these lists are just wrong. Besides the soft stools she's a great dog, I normally don't buy from pet stores, my other dogs are from rescues and the pound but I just happened to fall in love with her the moment I saw her at the store, they wouldn't even sell her to me that day because they just got her and made me come back the next day after they had a vet check her out. Which I find is weird since they said she was healthy, yet I use the same vet as they do and when I took her to the vet they said she has gardia but they charged the store for the medication and tests instead of me.

I know most people hate pet stores but I think of it this way, all dogs and cats deserve a home, the animals at the pet stores shouldn't be rejected just because we don't agree with where they came from or how they're being sold, I feel as if I saved he from this store =\ sorry if people disagree with me.
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No, I totally understand. The best cat I ever had was a barn kitty I adopted from a local shelter. I just happened to be there the day she came in as a 8 week kitten with the rest of her litter. She's a bona fide barn kitty and we love her to pieces : )


But back to your pup--as a word of caution though you might want to look into similar DE treatment for yourself if you have been in very close contact with this pup and/or its feces.

I think you may have a GSD that runs on the smaller side. Since you can't possibly know what's it's parents weighed the pup's final weight may be pure speculation at this point.


On the bright side you now have the chance to take charge of the pups health and possibly it's growth. Check the food your pup is eating. Is she perhaps allergic to grain? Getting too much protien can cause bad diarrhea in pups. Maybe she needs a balanced puppy formula like Fromm, which is ultimately what worked best for my pup, and I literally went through nearly every holistic pet food before finding that one.

You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet. Have you thought about raw feeding (even from premade providers)? Pups and dogs need nutrients from other things Not in dog food like organs, bones etc. Maybe you know this already, if so sorry in advance!


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Ty for all your help. I've thought about raw feeding but I don't think I can afford it. I'm 31 and I have a BS degree but I'm working for minimum wage since I haven't been able to find a job out of college expect as a cleaner at Kroger. Right now she is eating 1 cup 3 times a day of puppy large breed eurknuba since that is what the best store said the breader had her on, the store only had her for <24 hours before I got her. I really don't mind her being a smaller GSD as long as she is healthy. After having to put my blind diabetic dog to sleep 2 weeks ago I just want to make sure that all my dogs are as healthy as possible. My vet warned me about getting giardia myself, but it doesn't matter as I have Crohns disease so I have those symptoms and more myself daily anyways, lmao.
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Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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DE does NOT work internally, sorry. It **must** be dry to work. My sister studied it post secondary. The way it works is causing microscopic abrasions to the waxy layer of the bugs exoskeleton, which causes them to dehydrate and die. Dehydration is not possible to occur in a 100% moist environment (gut). It may work as a topical flea treatment, however care must be taken as it is an eye, throat and lung irritant.

OP, giardia is fairly common, I had a horrible time with it. It likes cold/damp, so wash bedding, bowls, toys on hot cycle. I picked up a steam mop to sanitize my home as well.

Good luck, hope you get rid of it and never see it again. When my pup had it, she lost weight too, so hopefully once it's dealt with your pup will put weight on. Also, you don't know what the parents were, so you won't really have anything to compare to.
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That's interesting research. If that's the case then I'm not sure how or why my pup's round worm infection cleared while taking DE. After several dogs on DE I have every reason to think (from experience taking it myself) that taking DE internally STILL makes it effective.

Of course you most be careful using DE externally. Still, I think the side effects outweigh those of conventional OTC flea/tick meds.

I want to clarify that the OP uses food grade DE. Wholistic Pet DE is $8 on doggiefood.com which is pretty affordable. One jar lasts me six months.

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It does not work internally, I'm sorry. It can also damage the delicate lining of the gut.

Here's an article about why chemical dewormer is best, it's about horses, but the principle is the same for dogs.

You're better to do regular fecals and treat as necessary and pick up poop around the property to help avoid exposure. Keep in mind a healthy animal is not a good host for parasites, so it is unlikely to even need any dewormer to begin with. My horse is dewormed in the fall only for tapes (which don't show on fecals), otherwise, he's not even needed to be dewormed for the last three years. My dad's mare is a higher shedder. I have gone to more parasite management seminars than I can count.

http://www.equisearch.com/horses_car...mers-are-best/

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The meds from the vets work you may need to treat her twice Giardia is a pain to get rid of. Eukanuba is fine for her. Add a little bit of Greek plain yogurt to keep her gut in check. She will be fine. I put a TBLSP of yogurt in all my dogs food each meal.


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