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Old 03-05-2013, 05:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My 11 week old pup is just refusing to do anything. I have the hardest time trying to train her in anything, and honestly shes trained in nothing so far. Its been little over a month now trying to house break her and still no progress on it she just pees in her crate, or floor or where ever, she will only sit when Its me and her alone and i have a visible treat, she never behaves, tears up everything. Running out of hope for this dog to do anything right.

Is there any way to punish a dog to make them realize that's wrong. I know your not suppose to pop them or spank them.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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nope!! the key to teaching a dog something new is patience!...they dont really get the whole "punish" concept like a human does...try teaching your dog with diffrent methods..
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hmmm. No.

Someone please chime in here with some training threads, and a little bit about positive reinforcement.

You're right, no popping or spanking. You really don't need it, if you can get the positive reinforcement part down. And it could even make things harder in the long run. Especially with a young pup.

Have you tried some outside help? A trainer, or even a puppy class?

The trick isn't getting them to "realize that's wrong," so much as getting them to realize what's Right.

Are you using a clicker? The treat won't work if theres a time lag between the wanted behavior and the reward...and 2 seconds to a puppy is a time lag.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Is this your first GSD?

How much time every day do you interact with your dog? How many times a day do you go outside with her for her business, take her for walks, train her, and love her?

Your dog doesn' t know how to do anything unless you teach her. If you can't speak dog, you should find a trainer or you are soon going to have a very large and powerful problem on your hands.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yup that sounds like a puppy. Punishment shouldnt really be something when it comes to training. It should be more fun based, I also think you would be hard pressed to find a pup that would listen to most commands without a treat or reward in your hand at that age. The key thing here is that you need to be consistant with all of your training, especially the potty training. I would look into a trainer if you havent already.
As for training other things like sit and such. I personally like to train with a leash on. That way for me if they dont perform the command or do something else like lay down when i gave the sit command. I use the leash and kind of walk in circles and basically reset the pup/dog and then give another command. Thats personally what I like to do but, people with more experience and or a trainer could probably help better.
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Cant find any trainers around here, I am still looking for one. She is only away from me for 4 hours out of the day everyday. The main thing making me angry is the fast is been a month and almost 2 weeks trying to house break her and still no progress. I even use a cleaner from pet smart. I take her out every 45 minutes when she is away she never pees so bring her in take her out 5 minutes repeat 3-4 times and then she just comes in and pees infront of me inside or runs to her crate and pees in it.

I am having the hardest time trying to train her to sit, lay, stay, not to walk in faster then me on a leash ect, even with treats, and no I don't have a clicker.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Train yourself to train your puppy..no "punishment" needed.
If your pup isn't grasping what you are trying to teach, maybe look at your training methods? Engagement and focus on you are first and foremost.
Has she been checked for a UTI?
This youtube channel has some good instructional clips: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc....1.HxMIJ6P3gjw
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:00 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Like GSDLover says, punishment is definitely not what you need to do right now. 11 weeks is pretty young for much training at all so don't have too high of expectations right off the bat as far as her paying attention. I jumped into it ill prepared and had a lot of the same feelings you seem to be having but don't lose hope! My pup is 9 months and turning out great, just stick with it! Take her out every hour if you can and throw a party when she pees outside correctly...

When she pees inside scoop her up fast and rush her out, then praise her when she finishes out there.

She will get the hang of it, the key is to get a good run of like 10 successful bathroom breaks in a row where she gets praised and gets treats and it will click for her.

Keep her on a lead when she is with you and crated when you're gone so she only has access to things you directly provide for her (toys, food etc). She has to know that all things good in life come from you and only when you say.

I am coming out of what I thought was a nightmare of dog ownership and is just now turning out great, so feel free to ask anything you would like!
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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seriously? punishing an 11 wk old? Yowza...

Forget obedience training - she is a baby and you are getting too far ahead of yourself. Readjust your entire attitude about her - instead of finding flaws and wondering why she isn't doing this or that....build and develop her to be the dog you wish her to be. Don't compare yourself to others - she is who she is and it is up to you to bring out the best in her.

Socialize her - take her places. Why bother to 'socialize' and I want photos/videos of puppies/dogs.....

Bond with her - spend stress free happy time together. Short off leash hikes, walks, playing two ball, tugging, feeding her breakfast one kibble at a time, car rides, meeting your friends/family, taking her to stores for socialization when she has her shots, parks, enrolling in an obedience class and so on.

Please read these links.
Intro to Clicker Training (perfect for puppies!)
Teaching a trick is the least important part of teaching tricks
Proper Exercise for puppies

Some dogs have trouble potty training or more commonly...the potty training is lacking
Be consistent, fair, patient, and encouraging. Realize that she is ELEVEN WEEKS old and is a baby puppy. She has a small bladder and cannot physically hold it for many hours. She is not doing this to spite you - she is going because she biologically has an urge to urinate or defecate and she does not know what is expected of her yet.

Potty training tips:
-Wake up, let out of crate, immediately go outside, and wait for pee/poop. Reward when she goes, don't play or engage her in any way while you are waiting for her to go, just walk in circles till she does, and then go back inside.
-Feed breakfast, wait 5-10 mins, and take outside. Wait 30-40 mins, take out again.
-After playing, take her out. If she stops playing and walks away during play, take her out.
-Learn to recognize the signs: sniffing the ground, walking in circles, running around frantically all of a sudden, whining, staring at you, sitting by the door, suddenly disappearing or walking far away from you...know your dog's signs and immediately take them out when you notice.
-If there is an accident or you see her going, immediately scoop her up and take her outside to finish. Praise and reward.
-Learn to recognize her "need to go" whine or bark when in the crate and immediately take her out.
-Clean messes with a good enzymatic cleaner in order to rid the area of any smell so she is not tempted to go in the same spot again.

If your eyes are not on her, she needs to be tethered to you, or in a crate. If she has an accident, and you don't see it, it's your fault for not managing her better. Pay more attention next time - punishing is not the answer. You will harm the bond between the two of you and create conflict with the pup if you start to correct or punish her at a young age. This conflict will make training and bonding with the pup difficult - creates issues later on that you don't want.

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Old 03-05-2013, 06:08 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah I have already had her checked for a uti last week and she did not have one. I do not understand what you mean by train your self, I have never trained a dog before so I just go by what I read.

Also crating her when I am not with her is almost impossible. If I am gone for 4 hours a day she will just pee in the crate within those 4 hours.

I have left her in the crate for a hour when I left to go do a few things and came back to her asleep in a pile of her own pee just laying in it like its nothing.

The crate is small enough where there is only enough room for her to stand up and the crate not touch her ears, and for her to be able to turn around just fine.

Also she gets socialized all the time, she meets new people everyday, she plays with new doggies everywhere, I dont want to take her places till she has had all her shots, so people and dogs come here.

But it feels like she just pees in her crate just so I take her back out of it to clean it, because she will only pee in it if I put her in there to get my work done, for 30-45 mins. Does not matter if I let her pee outside then bring her in put her in it, she crys for 3-4 minutes then just pees in it.
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