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Old 01-06-2013, 08:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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are you not there (vancouver?) *yet*?
We personally use and advise our adopters to use this schedule, approved by WSU in Pullman, WA.
Community Practice Vaccination Protocols from the College of Veterinary Medicine
Vancouver isn't too bad for parvo. My fiance is finishing work in Phoenix Az right now, which is where we are. There are a lot of unvaccinated dogs here, so they have had a lot of parvo and distemper outbreaks. I've bleached our place 3 times, but still pretty paranoid. The link you provided is the schedule I'm most familiar with. I hadn't heard of giving a 4th shot at week 20. I guess they want to be really thorough?
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Personally I do not think 1 extra 5-way will hurt.
WSU is very accessible, call or email them for assistance?
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Also in the WSU site


There have been some recent advances in vaccine development for dogs and cats and challenge studies have been done to establish duration of immunity for these vaccines. There may be some patients that this vaccination protocol may not be appropriate for, and we will continue to individualize our vaccination selection for each patient. We will continue to try to minimize the number of vaccines administered to each patient while maintaining protection against these serious infectious diseases.

The vaccinations your pet has received prior to this time may be good for longer than 1 year, however, please come in for your annual exam when you receive a reminder card, and we will discuss the best vaccination protocol for your pet.

Please refer to the guidelines we have established in the community practice and if you have any questions about which vaccines are appropriate for your pet please call us at 509-335-0711.


More is not better, you can either spin the roulette wheel and keep jabbing your puppy....but everytime you do, you are suppressing the immune system for approx. 10 days...this is when your dog is vulnerable to disease...

You cannot immunize an immune system that has maternal antibodies...unfortunatley these antibodies do not protect against the adjuvants that also contribute to auto-immune disease in future - idiopathic epilepsy, hypothyroidism, endocrine disorders, skin issues, IBD, cancer, lupus and so on...

The ONLY way to know if your pup has immunity is to titer test...if there is no antibodies - do it, if there is, it is a waste of money and risk to your dogs future health....have the vet do a housecall...your pup is at risk going to the vet, regardless of the sterilization methods, they may spray down the table, but do they mop the floor after each visit, what about the waiting room?

After a vax. Have titers done again 10 days to two weeks later....if there are antibodies...you had success! NO need to do again!
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Paul, I'm sorry... but the vet recommending that vaccine schedule is playing with fire.
Dr. Dodds is playing with fire? Dr. Dodds who has done more research into vaccines and immunities than any other vet out there? How about the AAHA recommendationsn written by Dr. Schultz? That have shown the same recommendations as Dr. Dodds? Why is she playing with fire when the documentation is out there and the studies have been done to back up her vaccine protocol? It's not like she woke up one day and decided on this protocol. It's been built from years of study and testing.

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If you're active outdoors with your pup or dog, it's susceptible to lyme disease from mosquitoes just like humans.
Lyme's disease does not come from mosquito's. It comes from ticks. And I just read a study on why Lyme's can not be carried by mosquito's. If you have other documentation regarding this, please share it.

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Drinks out of puddles or other standing water? Lepto comes into play. Other dogs? There comes your boretella.
Lepto - highest allergic reactions out of all vaccines. Vets do not recommend this unless the dogs are in a high risk area. NOT limited to Dr. Dodds protocol....it's 99.9% of vets due to reactions, including fatal ones.

Bordetella - It's a common cold for a dog. If you aren't boarding, 99.9% of vets do not recommend it.
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And I read on another thread Dr. Dodds is considering changing her protocols due to increase in disease.

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There may be some patients that this vaccination protocol may not be appropriate for, and we will continue to individualize our vaccination selection for each patient.
And this may be why that particular vet is considering an extra vaccine for this particular dog.
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And I read on another thread Dr. Dodds is considering changing her protocols due to increase in disease.

"There may be some patients that this vaccination protocol may not be appropriate for, and we will continue to individualize our vaccination selection for each patient."


And this may be why that particular vet is considering an extra vaccine for this particular dog.

More IS NOT better...it is about timing, good husbandry AND giving the body the tools to fight disease...RAW food, essential viral fighting vitamins like Vit C.
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Dr. Dodds is changing the recommendations for the CAV-1. Not all diseases....only one, the hepatitis that CAV-1 is used for, which most dogs should be protected from because they get the CAV-2 vaccine and it offers cross protection. The CAV-1 was taken out of common use because of high rate of reactions. Please google that to get the whole article. There is an article in The Whole Dog Journal this month.

Just to be clear, my post is in no way an answer to the OP's post. It is only in response to Jag's post. I am not going to engage in speculating why the vet wants to give a 5th shot. The OP should discuss this with their vet.
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I agree with the OP that your vet is not recognizing the 1st vaccine from the breeder, unless you did present your vet with a vacc record, from a vet. I suggest running Titers
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I agree with the OP that your vet is not recognizing the 1st vaccine from the breeder, unless you did present your vet with a vacc record, from a vet. I suggest running Titers
My understanding of the series of 3 shots is because they do not know when the mother's immunity wears off. Not because the immunity for the puppy is accumulated from the shots. The 3 shots are given at these intervals in hopes of hitting the first possible time that the puppy no longer has immunity from the mother. So, if your puppy had a shot at 16 weeks, that would be the final shot and they should be covered regardless of the first shot. I would not spend money on titers at this point nor would I give a 5th vaccination and would certainly question the need for the 4th shot.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:09 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I do agree with that, but suggested Titers so OP has it in black and white considering they're worried enough about it to question it
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