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Old 05-24-2012, 10:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I see a lot of questions regarding what kind of coat a sable puppy will have as an adult (and yes, I'm one of those with a big ol' question mark slapped on my forehead). The general answer is unclear and generally recommends observing the parents, viewing images of the puppy when it was born, asking the breeder, and just waiting until the dog matures over the next 3 years. Unfortunately, not everyone has a dog that comes from a reputable breeder, and therefore have very little background information to go on.

I have no experience in this, other than with observing Kaiser as he's grown over the last 2.5 months (and knowing what his parents look like) and of course with the various pictures I've observed on the internet. I think I may have noticed a bit of a trend though.

It seems that some puppies possess strong pigmentation, even while young, and end up having striking black sable coats as adults. I've seen some pictures that show the pups with darker tipping throughout the body as well as stronger pigmentation on the front of their legs and toes (as compared to the dogs I'll describe later on).

The following images are of different puppies over 3 different ages. I feel like all of them will end up with dark coats.

This image is from Alpinek9.com and shows an 8week old pup:



A 13 week old puppy photographed by vombanachk9



16.5 weeks from pedigreedatabase.com (I can't find the original page)



That, compared to puppies which, while they still darken as they mature, generally end up with a lighter cream/gray coat as adults. Kaiser is one of these dogs (my prediction anyway). He came to me at 6 weeks with a darkish cream/black coat, but has significantly lightened over the last few months. In no way do I expect him to end up with a dark black coat, though I am hoping his will do some darkening up over the next few years.

Here are 5 pictures I've taken of Kaiser.

8 weeks old:


side view of lil man by jsnail17, on Flickr

And then 9 weeks:


sideview by jsnail17, on Flickr

12 weeks:


diggin' in by jsnail17, on Flickr

14 weeks:


stalking dakota 2 by jsnail17, on Flickr

He is currently 16 weeks but I don't have a readily accessible image of his coat from the side, but hopefully this will kind of give you an idea:


train1 by jsnail17, on Flickr

I've also noticed that puppies that end up as darker adults seem to darken along the body more quickly through the first few months than those dogs who end up with lighter coats.

Maybe this is just me, but it seems that while the ability to predict an adult coat is a gamble in and of itself, there are clues that might suggest which direction a puppy might go.

Just my .02 for the day

Feel free to share your pictures, thoughts, comments, and experiences!
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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this is dia before i got her!


looking a little darker...


all solid puppy fuzz


Her "racing stripe" started to form


stripe spreading as she is losing her puppy fur.


darkening


getting really dark.


kinda balanced out. she seems a little lighter in person than some of her pictures, but i think it is her summer coat. but this is one of the most recent pictures taken of her.


and that is my sable transformation
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She is gorgeous! And definitely falls within the "darker puppy=darker adult" category!
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My boy is also in the darker puppy/darker adult category. He was never ever as light as some of the pictures of Kaiser. We always had black fur on him no matter what age, and he quickly developed the darker sable pattern that julie's dog has. Tell you the truth, it was shocking to me to see some of the lighter sables and their cream colored coat the first time I saw those pictures. Our boy came home brown/black, turned more black, and then finally got his final coat. It changes color a little bit with the season, but its only noticeable when I look at pictures.
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Although the pictures I posted of Kaiser are under varying lighting conditions, its still easy to see that he started off pretty darn dark compared to how much his coat has lightened up. We obviously have a VERY long way to go yet, but I will be [pleasantly] surprised if he darkens up significantly. He is still my handsome little stud muffin though, regardless of what his adult coat will look like I just find it interesting to read about the debates many people have over the sable coat.
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Just born:


Two weeks:


24 Days:


5 Weeks:


8 weeks:


11 weeks, his only light phase:


16 weeks, dark again:


6 months:


16 months:
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My girl Zelda:

3 weeks


6 weeks


A few days ago at 16 weeks (apologies for the quality)


For more comparison, her mother Rogue:

3-4 weeks


9 weeks


16 weeks


5 months


2.5 years
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4-6 weeks. I can't remember right now!


9 weeks


11 weeks


11 weeks also


16 weeks. you can see how much of the dark coloring has reappeared on his back!


5 months


6 months


10 months


16 months

ETA: so don't be surprised to see him starting to darken up a LOT!
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Phoenix at about 3 months or so I believe...she was still at her co-owners house.







Home with me at about 4, maybe 5 months:



Adult, around 2 years:

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Old 05-24-2012, 05:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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ETA: so don't be surprised to see him starting to darken up a LOT!
I'm very excited and hope that is the case. I LOVE seeing other puppies that have similar coat colors as Kaiser, especially the progression. Aww heck, I love seeing the progression of ANY puppy
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