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volcano 05-16-2014 01:14 AM

Why take a test?
I see shutzhund as a breed standard test, its pass/fail if a dog meets the working standards.
Some people take the test and training leading up to it with the goal of getting the dog to pass. I could care less about doing garbage training to earn some points from a human judge. I think its more appropriate to look for the dog to fail, if it does then thats that-the dog failed. Not some stuff where they lead the dogs along doing a shutz test every week to weak dogs to get them used to it while avoiding putting pressure on.

Redrider469 05-16-2014 01:17 AM

I don't understand.

volcano 05-16-2014 02:04 AM

Its a rant. But some people want to really try to get the dog to pass, while I think it should be more about challenging the dog and accepting if its a failure, vs trying really hard to make it pass. I want the sch as a test for my dog, if shes no good then id not breed her. Ive been to a sch trainer who didn have us do tracking or obed? I think he was used to dogs who the protection was the hardest part and hed do the other stuff leading up to a trial??? Then I saw a showline shutz trainer, he did every session as a full trial, the dogs were completely conditioned to it all.

volcano 05-16-2014 03:47 AM

The idea of tests isnt to see who passes, its to see who fails...

llombardo 05-16-2014 04:15 AM

Are you talking about the evaluation to see if the dog is accepted?

huntergreen 05-16-2014 09:57 AM

if you are referring to the eval. test. i believe it is to make sure the dog is up to the mental challenges. why destabilize an other wise stable dog? others that know more will correct me if i am wrong.

hunterisgreat 05-16-2014 10:05 AM

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When a dog fails a trial it is typically a training issue more often than a dog issue.

Liesje 05-16-2014 10:15 AM

What "test" is this talking about? If it's about trialing...well most times they are public so if you want to draw your own conclusions about a dog or its training, you're welcome to go watch and see for yourself how the dog is performing and whether he passes or fails in your opinion.

martemchik 05-16-2014 10:35 AM

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I’ve never heard of anyone not training tracking until the time leading up to the trial. It’s probably the toughest part of the whole thing, and that’s where I’ve seen most dogs fail.

If you’re just talking about “testing” a dog, and truly coming at a dog that has never had a human attack it before and seeing how it reacts…well, most dogs aren’t going to fight. If it’s a young dog, it’s highly unlikely the dog has the confidence to take on a 180+ lbs. human. If it’s an older dog, that has never had any sort of introduction to bite work, it was probably taught bite inhibition and to respect humans, so it’s unlikely that it will attack a human. This is almost the same thing as people expecting their untrained GSD to protect them if they do get attacked…most GSDs won’t.

Depends on the club…but I’ve been to a few that do focus a lot more on protection. At the end of the day, obedience and tracking are easily done on your own time and unless you are a true beginner, most people will do that outside of club time because that’s the only time you get to work with a helper.

Anyways…when was the last time you took a test that you didn’t study/prepare for?

volcano 05-17-2014 05:04 AM

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