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Hunter4628 04-07-2014 09:40 AM

what is your thoughts on the Head Halti?
 
How do you like it?
Good or bad experiences?

Shade 04-07-2014 11:30 AM

I've used it with success, just like any tool it depends on how and why you're using it. If it works for you, then great. If it doesn't, then you reevaluate and choose something else.

Blanketback 04-07-2014 11:42 AM

Be careful if you have a dog that lunges, because it's very bad for their necks to get jerked like that.

my boy diesel 04-07-2014 01:05 PM

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Hunter4628 04-07-2014 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shade (Post 5337521)
I've used it with success, just like any tool it depends on how and why you're using it. If it works for you, then great. If it doesn't, then you reevaluate and choose something else.

thanks I sometimes use the head halti, but he still pulls on it. Like he tries his best to pull because i can see his mouth getting pulled back when he pulls still:mad: ( if that makes any sense.)

Kaimeju 04-07-2014 01:42 PM

I don't use one. I tried it a couple of times with my dog and she was very averse to it. For us it is not an appropriate tool because it doesn't teach her not to pull, it just gives you leverage.

My understanding is that they are not that useful unless you combine them with a training plan and stick to it.

Chip18 04-07-2014 02:02 PM

:D "My" thoughts...I think they are crap, and they say to me... there is someone who doesn't know what they are doing " so stay clear!" To be fair though, I stay clear of other dog
walkers anyway!

And if you're walking a dog reactive dog on one and yank on it, you're going to hurt your dog! But to be fair any tool can be misused.

I much prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqtL6o7kDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e_1uCQUYvE

In order to "deal" with a problem instead of using a tool to mask a problem. Just my 2 cents.

Lilie 04-07-2014 02:11 PM

I have used the halti with great success. When I first started training classes, my instructor asked all students to use one. During the entire course, we used haltis. My boy was aprox 7 months old. Our next level classes, we didn't.

In the beginning he faught the halti. Just like a pup fights the collar for the first time. It did take some getting used to.

I can now walk my 92lb intact, 4 yr old male dog without him pulling at all. He doesn't lunge. He doesn't hesitate when we walk. He doesn't stop to sniff and mark. He walks quietly and calmly.

If I am going to take him to a crowed area, I'll put the halti on him. Not because he needs it, but for the same reasons Chip18 mentioned. While wearing the halti, folks think it's some sort of muzzle and they don't drag their hands all over him as we walk by.

Shade 04-07-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter4628 (Post 5338201)
thanks I sometimes use the head halti, but he still pulls on it. Like he tries his best to pull because i can see his mouth getting pulled back when he pulls still:mad: ( if that makes any sense.)

I found the halti pretty useless for loose leash walking, Delgado just pulled regardless and a halti really only works for self-correction if the dog responds to it. Delgado never did, he just pulled through any pressure and ignored it. It's not meant for actual corrections, like a collar where you would give a sharp tug. That just yanks the dog's head and neck and can cause injuries, one of the main reasons why people are adverse to it.

If he's not responding to the pressure of the halti then you really should try another tool and possibly a new training program. Delgado was very stubborn about heeling, we were in a class with two trainers and they were recommending a prong but he was 5 months old - far too young in my opinion. With persistence we were able to figure out a compromise, but it wasn't until he hit 9 months and I swapped him to a prong we saw great leaps in having a consistent heel even under distractions. The prong reinforced the behaviour I wanted and told him in no uncertain terms that I meant business

Don't be afraid to go back to basics either, I had to do it a few times and in the end I came out stronger with a better overall foundation.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip18 (Post 5338377)
:D "My" thoughts...I think they are crap, and they say to me... there is someone who doesn't know what they are doing " so stay clear!" To be fair though, I stay clear of other dog
walkers anyway!

And if you're walking a dog reactive dog on one and yank on it, you're going to hurt your dog! But to be fair any tool can be misused.

I much prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqtL6o7kDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e_1uCQUYvE

In order to "deal" with a problem instead of using a tool to mask a problem. Just my 2 cents.

Well I can tell you from personal experience is that it was a great tool for Delgado's dog reactivity. I never once yanked or cranked him on it and his head was never snapped harshly. It allowed me to control his head by grabbing it just under his chin which caused him to stop barking immediately and redirect his attention back to me. No lunging, no barking, just calm control and a firm hand. It's never hurt or punished him, just kept him from escalating. The prong wasn't a good tool for dealing with the reactivity from the start, if anything it would ramp him up not calm him down.

I'm at the point now in his reactivity that the prong is a better overall tool, but it's taken a while to get to that point. Mostly I was working with simply the halti during his worst stages.

To be honest your opinion is no different than a person saying that seeing a prong collar on a dog means immediately that the dog is aggressive, untrained, or out of control. I don't look at the tool, I look at the results between my dog and myself and then consider whether it was useful or not.

huntergreen 04-07-2014 03:59 PM

when they first came out my vet said it would hurt the dogs neck if jerked, so i never tried one.


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