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GSDUDE 04-06-2014 07:57 AM

Dobie vs GSD please help
 
Ok, I have owned trained tons of dogs from all kinds. malamutes to Pomeranians.
I live in a huge house. I wanna buy a new dog i narrowed to a dobbie and a gsd which should i get and why? I have the time to take care of them. Please state the difference in terms of INTELLIGENCE, STAMINA, PROTECTIVE INSTINCTS.
And any other info. Any help from owners of both or people who know is appreciated. Thank you. :help:

David Winners 04-06-2014 08:04 AM

It would help if you stated what your intentions were for the dog. Will the dog be trained in a specific discipline or will it be just a family companion (not knocking this at all)?

IMO, the questions you ask leave a lot of room for interpretation based on the final use for the dog.

They will also differ greatly in individual dogs, as there is the gamut of all these attributes present in both breeds.

If you want a good family companion and are willing to find a good breeder, you can have a great dog from either breed. If you want to do sport with the dog, I would recommend a GSD as the chances of getting a good dog for the work are far greater. Not to say that there aren't good Dobies out there, but they are few and far between IME.

GSDUDE 04-06-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by David Winners (Post 5332769)
It would help if you stated what your intentions were for the dog. Will the dog be trained in a specific discipline or will it be just a family companion (not knocking this at all)?

IMO, the questions you ask leave a lot of room for interpretation based on the final use for the dog.

They will also differ greatly in individual dogs, as there is the gamut of all these attributes present in both breeds.

If you want a good family companion and are willing to find a good breeder, you can have a great dog from either breed. If you want to do sport with the dog, I would recommend a GSD as the chances of getting a good dog for the work are far greater. Not to say that there aren't good Dobies out there, but they are few and far between IME.

all. its a family dog and also be trained obediance and tricks. also be a bit intimidating for protection purposes.

David Winners 04-06-2014 09:43 AM

Well, either breed is going to have an intimidation factor. Either breed can be a good pet and learn tricks. I think it's up to your personal preference. I personally find both breeds attractive as pets in demeanor and biddability.

I am PRO GSD as a working dog for sure, but as a pet it's really up in the air.

wolfstraum 04-06-2014 10:02 AM

then the difference can boil down to health.....yes the GSD is rife with possible problems....from bad hips to DM and allergies....some of which can be addressed in careful breeding. A breeder can load the genetic dice and test against certain things....

Dobes have their own problems. One of the biggest is cardial myeopathy....apparently healthy dogs just drop over dead with no warning at a young age - knew a lady who had a Sch2 young male playing in her yard and just dropped. Again, this can be tested for genetically - not sure of the disease's process, but if you go Dobe - be absolutely sure you get a pup whose parents are tested clear for this, and a few others

Von Schwarz Doberman Kennel

I know this kennel, train with some of the dogs.....she is diligent in health testing. Also, you don't state where you are, but Wendy Schmidt in California is a very reputable and accomplished Doberman person - Katie of vonSchwarz has a young male she got from/through Wendy.

Lee

Gwenhwyfair 04-06-2014 11:17 AM

Another dobie fan. My trainer was looking at getting one but as David said good working Dobies are hard to find in the US.

Aesthetically Dobies loose the intimidation factor if the ears aren't cropped, tail docked and for me, personally, that whole cropping, wrapping, bandaging the ears to get them to stand is something I'd rather not deal with.

As mentioned they have their share of genetic health issues too.

For these reasons I haven't pursued the dobie route myself, though every time I see a nice one I pause, just for a bit....

I think you'll have more choices of good breeders and puppies that will suit your desires if go with the GSD.

Gwenhwyfair 04-06-2014 11:25 AM

Right..so what do I do? click on Lee's link and drool over those dogs and they have puppies right now too..... :wub:

Sarah~ 04-06-2014 11:26 AM

Dobermans are SO handsome. There are a couple at my hotel for a dog show this weekend, a big one and a puppy.... I want one!

Nigel 04-06-2014 11:38 AM

Not sure if its the case for all Dobermans, but the 2 I've met did not like cold weather, unlike most shepherds, who seem to enjoy it. Like I said, I don't know what the breed is like dealing with the cold as a whole, but depending on your location and activities, might be something to consider.

sehrgutcsg 04-06-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfstraum (Post 5333049)
then the difference can boil down to health.....yes the GSD is rife with possible problems....from bad hips to DM and allergies....some of which can be addressed in careful breeding. A breeder can load the genetic dice and test against certain things....

Dobes have their own problems. One of the biggest is cardial myeopathy....apparently healthy dogs just drop over dead with no warning at a young age - knew a lady who had a Sch2 young male playing in her yard and just dropped. Again, this can be tested for genetically - not sure of the disease's process, but if you go Dobe - be absolutely sure you get a pup whose parents are tested clear for this, and a few others

Von Schwarz Doberman Kennel

I know this kennel, train with some of the dogs.....she is diligent in health testing. Also, you don't state where you are, but Wendy Schmidt in California is a very reputable and accomplished Doberman person - Katie of vonSchwarz has a young male she got from/through Wendy.

Lee

Nice looking dogs. A friend had two Dobies. The third from the bottom the ears are a bit thin for my taste, but maybe acceptable by the show judges. William Shatner had Dobies in the late 80s, my vet was on board.

The have a weak link in the neck and if they charge you and they get a front snap kick to the chin, they might die on the spot, but good luck with that. Direct eye contact is a no no. There's a movie where they are used to steal items, I suggest you see that film, it's a good one. Children, is another issue to be considered.

The dogs are beautiful, no doubt...


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