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DogDiva 02-23-2014 02:01 AM

GSD bred at 5 months?
 
my boyfriend went out and bought me a GSD pup almost a year ago as a surprise he came with his AKC papers. I didn't realize the mother of the pup was bred so young until today. when I found the pups vet records the mother's DOB was listed on the vet records and it said 7 months which puzzled me I thought it was a typo I called the vet and asked what was the mother's last weight they told me 40lbs confirming she has bred at 5 months. when I asked my boyfriend did he know all this he said no and that the "breeder" said the mother was 90lbs and the father was 120lbs. I have no complaints about my dog he has a nice temperament, high drive and is protective. My question is what do I have to look out for in the future with him as he was born to a young mother and possibly sired by a young father as well?

Shaolin 02-23-2014 03:36 AM

I'd be concerned about the quality of the breeding overall. "Good" breeders would never breed a dog on their first heat, especially that young. The Dam's personality really hasn't come out yet at 5 months.

I really wonder if there was a typo or some sort of error in the age as 5 months seems to be extremely young on the heat scale. Just going from my own pup who did the heat thing, it was about 3 weeks into her heat before she was receptive to mating...so your dog's Dam could have been as young as 4 months old when she came into heat. I've never heard of a dog that young coming into heat, but I'm certainly not a breeder, so it's possible.

My pup was about 10 months old, give or take a month as she's a rescue, when she came into heat.

I'd be slightly concerned about the overall temperament and future health of the dog when it comes to things like DM or Hip Dysplasia. I'm not saying poor temperament or Hip Dysplasia are unheard of in a "well bred" dog, but you hedge your bet on the side of a healthy dog when you purchase from a "good" breeder.

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DogDiva 02-23-2014 04:14 AM

Thank you for the reply. he seems ok i'm not sure about HD or DM he seems to get around great no problems running jumping or playing. i will take him to have xrays to see if he might have HD.. i just completely shocked when i found those vet records i'm hoping it's a big typo or something i tried contacting the "breeder" no reply yet

dogfaeries 02-23-2014 10:15 AM

I would think that someone has made a mistake somewhere. According to AKC, you can't register a dog or a litter from a mother that isn't at least 8 months old.



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Chapter 3, Section 5 of the Rules Applying to Registration and Discipline reads as follows:
"No dog or litter out of a dam under eight (8) months or over twelve (12) years of age at the time of mating, or by a sire under seven (7) months or over twelve (12) years of age at the time of mating, will be registered unless the application for registration shall be accompanied by an affidavit or evidence which shall prove the fact to the satisfaction of The American Kennel Club."

Dainerra 02-23-2014 11:09 AM

dogfaeries, all they require is that there is an affidavidt that the young (or elderly) dog is indeed the parent of the litter. Once you send that in, the pups are registered

dogfaeries 02-23-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dainerra (Post 5071234)
dogfaeries, all they require is that there is an affidavidt that the young (or elderly) dog is indeed the parent of the litter. Once you send that in, the pups are registered


I guess I just assumed that most people wouldn't even know there were age restrictions on breeding, and would just fill in the info and send the papers in. But then I would also assume that AKC would catch that, and not register the litter. I'm going with this dog is older than the vet's info!

dogfaeries 02-23-2014 11:29 AM

Okay, it's easy enough to solve the mystery. If you want to post the mother's registered name, or just PM me, I'll look it up on AKC. It will have her birthdate, AKC registration number, sex, color, breed, etc. Easy to find.

Dainerra 02-23-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dogfaeries (Post 5071330)
I guess I just assumed that most people wouldn't even know there were age restrictions on breeding, and would just fill in the info and send the papers in. But then I would also assume that AKC would catch that, and not register the litter. I'm going with this dog is older than the vet's info!

AKC just seems them a letter saying "do you swear that this info is accurate? Contact us at...." The breeder calls and someone walks them through the process of what they need to do.

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DogDiva 02-23-2014 05:20 PM

Thanks everyone. I hope there was a mistake made with the vet..but I did look up the sire and dam information on the AKC website they have the mother's DOB as July of 2011 and the father DOB is Sept 2007 also on it had they bred in March 2013 for the first time. My pup was born in April. I thought pregnancies were at least 2 months?

gsdsar 02-23-2014 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DogDiva (Post 5073298)
Thanks everyone. I hope there was a mistake made with the vet..but I did look up the sire and dam information on the AKC website they have the mother's DOB as July of 2011 and the father DOB is Sept 2007 also on it had they bred in March 2013 for the first time. My pup was born in April. I thought pregnancies were at least 2 months?


So good. Not great. She was still under 2. But not 5 months.

Gestation in dogs in about 63 days. So if bred in early march, a late April birthday is possible. But it would be very close.


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