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Old 02-18-2014, 09:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well this doesn't really make any sense out of context. I'm not sure what the point was.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If you feel this line of discussion is unhelpful then why are you adding to it. What makes you feel you should be the only one to comment off subject? Seriously i see so many pots calling the kettle black on this site.
If the breeder was indeed a breeder then then the OP is entitled to a fefund and vet costs per the California puppy lemon law and can go to small claims. I really do agree another tbread should be started in regards to what a real breeder and what a byb or hobby breeder is.
A real breeder is someone who owns a bitch at the time that conception takes place. It is as simple as that.

There as many definitions for BYB as their are people who understand what the acronym stands for. There is no universally accepted definition to this term.

Hobby breeder is another term that people use that isn't well defined. Some people think professional breeders, or commercial breeders are the ones that should be breeding. Others believe that ONLY hobby breeders should be breeding.

The simple answer is to accept that a person to owns the bitch at the moment of conception is the breeder, whether we are talking about show dogs, police dogs, mongrels, oopses. Doesn't matter. If you own the bitch and she has conceived a litter that was then produced, you are indeed a breeder.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Maybve this can transition into another random thread,
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well this doesn't really make any sense out of context. I'm not sure what the point was.
Well apparently if you want something done right you should do it yourself. Which was not the case and here we are so that's that.
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Maybve this can transition into another random thread,
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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And to add helping the OP to find a legal way to help recover some costs for this young financially strapped family is in no way asserting our own agenda. I dont have an agenda . Ive helped out when people have set up sites for help financially here and i will do the same information wise whenever I feel like it. As long as im not using foul language or calling people idiots, or lazy etc. I have the right to post and follow whatever agenda I want. (If I did have one, )
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As for the puppy lemon law in California:
1. If the breeder did not sell more than 20 puppies in the year, she is not covered.

2. The breeder is liable to either return the pet for the purchase price/vet bills not more than the purchase price, or keep the pet and get vet costs not more than 150% of the purchase price, or exchange the pup for one that is not sick. In this case $100 or $150 is the max she can get.

Is it truly worth it? If she is a friend? Will she need a lawyer to go after her? Does she want to drag it out and go to small claims court for it? Take over work. What that will do is that will keep it constantly at the forefront of her mind. Sometimes, you just have to move on. $100 to $150 is not going to break or curb the breeder.
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And to add helping the OP to find a legal way to help recover some costs for this young financially strapped family is in no way asserting our own agenda. I dont have an agenda . Ive helped out when people have set up sites for help financially here and i will do the same information wise whenever I feel like it. As long as im not using foul language or calling people idiots, or lazy etc. I have the right to post and follow whatever agenda I want. (If I did have one, )
Are you talking to me?
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:05 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Can you please link me (or pm me! Don't wanna take this off topic) to the laws about this? As far as I knew, the government could not tell us what to do with our property, yet.
I live in CA and in my county you must spay/neuter by 6 months, there are exceptions:

Santa Cruz County, California. Title 6. Animals
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As for the puppy lemon law in California:
1. If the breeder did not sell more than 20 puppies in the year, she is not covered.

2. The breeder is liable to either return the pet for the purchase price/vet bills not more than the purchase price, or keep the pet and get vet costs not more than 150% of the purchase price, or exchange the pup for one that is not sick. In this case $100 or $150 is the max she can get.

Is it truly worth it? If she is a friend? Will she need a lawyer to go after her? Does she want to drag it out and go to small claims court for it? Take over work. What that will do is that will keep it constantly at the forefront of her mind. Sometimes, you just have to move on. $100 to $150 is not going to break or curb the breeder.
Just wondering where u got 20 puppies, because I read two litters in prior year. Yes I understand that it is not much. I guess it has to do with whether 150 makes a difference for her and how far the court is from her home whether shes working full time or not.
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