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Lobobear44 02-02-2014 02:58 AM

Animal rights= arrogance and scary and extreme
 
Top 8 Arguments Against Animal Rights

I am so scared for animals in the future. No more breeding causes extinction for a consequence for our beloved animals. If they really cared they would let animals live on. Our dogs are happy to be with humans even animals that are not dogs. The other thing animal rights activists say people do not see the consequences for their actions. Well, black and white as AR people their actions will be a consequence to regret if our worse nightmare does happen. Can't live without animals on the planet interacting with humans. They think all humans are nasty and hate animals. So much extreme black and white. If you ever beat them in arguments "dogs are not given consent to do work, breed to be used whatever". Lol the AR ppl are not giving dogs their consent either.

David Winners 02-02-2014 03:07 AM

There are an estimated 164 million pets owned in the US.

Not that I agree with the AR folks, but they are a vast minority.

David Taggart 02-02-2014 04:33 AM

I would alweays vote against changing original nature of GSD through breedig for the purpose of producing so called "friendly" dog genetically. With the loss of a potential to become agressive GSD loses his intellect. Something happens to dogs bred for being innocuous to humans, and there is a lot of evidence to it: American Cocker Spanial and many other sub-breeds. But, do people need intellectual dogs? No, they don't. Proper raising your puppy, controlling yourself first of all ( GSD grows agressive in families living in conflict, nervous and agressive themselves people) and educating him requires a considerable effort. The majority of dogs' owners are happy to have a beautiful vegetable on the lead instead of bothering themselves and paying money to trainers. People like not the dog, but his shape, which is a replica of their old enemy - the wolf. That is where the idea springs from: to have a living toy deprived of claws and teeth. Crowds of dolphin admirers prefer to see them in the circus, not in the wild, some even say that it is the only way to save them - todeprive from freedom. Changing that which was preserved throughout so many centures, GSD temperament and other natural qualities have to be lost to breeding programms, and it terrifies me much more than depriving cats from claws surgically, or chopping off dogs' ears and tails for cosmetic reasons. But, the wish to adjust other living beings and make them more convenient for modern life and future survival of one type of species - that is us, the humans - is above the humans. There is one in a few million can live a single day like Jesus, or be a fraction that much sacrificial like Him. Jesus teachings weren't about animals, but they were and are for many a sound of a true nature of love to life in general. Humans are not the gods, they simply uncapable of being sorry with factory chickens who do not and will not have any rights ever, because it is more convenient to think they have "chicken brains".

OriginalWacky 02-02-2014 07:18 AM

I'm a firm supporter of animal welfare being improved, but giving animals "rights" is a whole different can of worms.

This is a pretty political subject, and I have to wonder if this discussion is best left on other boards, except perhaps in regards to dog ownership and laws.

SuperG 02-02-2014 12:01 PM

The "lunatic fringe" is only supported by the actions of those who fail to live up to their responsibilities.

The vast majority of pet owners are considerate, caring and conscientious. As always, too much legislation and "rule" is enacted and supported because the minority ( in this case, the antithesis of the aforementioned majority) gives the entire class a bad name.

Sad situation but perhaps a mirror of the times.


SuperG

Lobobear44 02-02-2014 12:30 PM

Animal Rights Vs. Animal Owners | Protect the Harvest

Shouldn't we do something?

Castlemaid 02-02-2014 12:31 PM

ADMIN NOTE:

ENOUGH WITH THE nasty, snarky comments and subtle attacks!!! This won't be tolerated any more, and warnings will be issued!

:mad:

Lobobear44 02-02-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Castlemaid (Post 4951122)
ADMIN NOTE:

ENOUGH WITH THE nasty, snarky comments and subtle attacks!!! This won't be tolerated any more, and warnings will be issued!

:mad:

I'm not doing anything...

Freestep 02-02-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperG (Post 4950858)
The vast majority of pet owners are considerate, caring and conscientious.

I'm not sure if I agree with that. I see pet owners every day, and a lot of them really shouldn't own pets... it's not that they are horrible people, it's that the dog is an afterthought, a prop, a toy for the children, or a status symbol. Often bought on a whim and then ignored. Most people really don't have enough knowledge of animal behavior to understand a pet's true needs, and behavior problems are often a result. And these are the people that actually care enough to have their pets professionally groomed!

However, the AR agenda is wrongheaded and extreme. Just because SOME people shouldn't own animals doesn't mean it's wrong for ANYONE to own animals.

Lobobear44 02-02-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Freestep (Post 4951586)
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I see pet owners every day, and a lot of them really shouldn't own pets... it's not that they are horrible people, it's that the dog is an afterthought, a prop, a toy for the children, or a status symbol. Often bought on a whim and then ignored. Most people really don't have enough knowledge of animal behavior to understand a pet's true needs, and behavior problems are often a result. And these are the people that actually care enough to have their pets professionally groomed!

However, the AR agenda is wrongheaded and extreme. Just because SOME people shouldn't own animals doesn't mean it's wrong for ANYONE to own animals.

Freestep couldn't have stated any better. Agree 100%, I think before people get dogs or even all dog owners should studying a mass amount of dog behavior and dog true needs.


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