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Old 01-24-2014, 12:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Vets have very limited training in nutrition, and what they have is sponsored by pet food companies, so take that with a grain of salt.

There are also HPP raw diets that are sterile, FYI.

Castlemaid, that must have been disappointing, but I'm glad you didn't let some policy stop you from doing what is best for your dogs. Hopefully people can push for change.

I do understand where they are coming from though, and patient safety is top priority, but I sincerely doubt enough research has been put in to say that feeding raw is going to make people sick.
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Vets have very limited training in nutrition, and what they have is sponsored by pet food companies, so take that with a grain of salt.

There are also HPP raw diets that are sterile, FYI.

Castlemaid, that must have been disappointing, but I'm glad you didn't let some policy stop you from doing what is best for your dogs. Hopefully people can push for change.

I do understand where they are coming from though, and patient safety is top priority, but I sincerely doubt enough research has been put in to say that feeding raw is going to make people sick.
one tiny link to some illness and it becomes a witch hunt.

Raw-red dogs give you salmonella!
spinach gives you cancer!
your cellphone gives you cancer!
standing by a microwave will cook your brain!

AHHH EVERYTHING GIVES YOU SARS!



you get what I mean


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Anti-Raw Diet Movement: Misinformed, or Deceitful?
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The comments I've gotten from my vets regarding raw diet...

Banshee is still here because of the changes you've made in her diet. ----(Banshee, a Boxer, lived to be almost 13 years old)

The raw diet you feed your cat probably saved his teeth. -----(this past week regarding an 8 yr old Himalayan. The breed typically has bad teeth. He lost two due to gum inflammation and 4 incisors due to crowding).

I think they'll find that the bacteria is mixing with the sugars and causing the ulcers. ----(regarding cat teeth in general. basically he was saying the simply sugars in the commercial kibble is mixing with the bacteria in their mouth and killing their teeth.)

You'll find articles out there that poo poo the idea of feeding a felv positive cat an raw diet because of the potential for salmonella. Don't let it discourage you. ---(cat tested positive for felv this week)

Chem17 run on all animals always comes back great. Everytime they see my animals, they comment that the raw diet is what is making them so healthy. This from vets that a few years ago, cringed when I told them I was feeding raw.
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one tiny link to some illness and it becomes a witch hunt.
If you are interested in the state of research as of 2011, you can find it here: Raw food diets in companion animals: A critical review

The reality is often less black and white than we wish it would be. Basically, they found that it's possible to get Salmonella if you work in a facility with a lot of animals and there's feces around. No link to raw food there, also not that surprising. They also found that it is possible for animals to become infected with Salmonella from eating raw food. Well yeah, any food that is contaminated could give you Salmonella, raw or not. So, there is a theoretical public health risk right now. There is no experimental data one way or the other proving that therapy dogs who are raw-fed pose a risk, so based on prior studies they are extrapolating and trying to play it safe.

I guess if I were a patient in a hospital, I would want to trust that the people supervising the therapy dog program were doing everything possible to mitigate risk. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about it.
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I guess if I were a patient in a hospital, I would want to trust that the people supervising the therapy dog program were doing everything possible to mitigate risk. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about it.
If I were a patient in a hospital, and immune suppressed, I would be far more concerned about the family dogs being brought it. This is a common occurrence in many hospitals.

But yes...as an organization that is responsible and liable for anything happening because of the therapy animals, they should play it on the safe side.
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Vets have very limited training in nutrition, and what they have is sponsored by pet food companies, so take that with a grain of salt.

There are also HPP raw diets that are sterile, FYI.

Castlemaid, that must have been disappointing, but I'm glad you didn't let some policy stop you from doing what is best for your dogs. Hopefully people can push for change.

I do understand where they are coming from though, and patient safety is top priority, but I sincerely doubt enough research has been put in to say that feeding raw is going to make people sick.
Would you elaborate on the bold portion of your post. I'm interested in learning abut this.
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Germ-Free Dogs Still Potential Disease Carriers, Study Finds | University of Guelph

That's old news now, but in case anyone's wondering...
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HPP = high pressure pasteurization

It kills pathogens in food, I think it does diminish the nutrients somewhat (minimally), but is an option for dogs with immune issues, or who have had recent GI surgery etc. There is a bit of info in the link I posted.

"the types of raw food currently on the market.
There is a whole class of raw foods currently available that are sterile at the time of purchase. Just as much of the human meat supply has been treated with a sterilization technique called high pressure pasteurization (HPP), many raw commercially available pet foods have also opted for this sterilization technique to reduce potential pathogens."
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I'm disappointed to learn this about RAW feeding and the therapy dog programs. I was thinking how nice it would be to "give back" with my dog in the future.
I understand to a point with the concern of salmonella.
However, my dogs health and well being will be first and for most. I shrug and hang my head in a bit of defeat with this news.
We have become such a "germ-a-phobe" society. I personally so believe that people get so sick from everything these days because we over sanitize everything in our daily lives. IMHO the general population has no immune system by design of today's paranoia of all germs big and small. Even those beneficial to normal healthy living.
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