veggies/fruits to avoid

[Yoschi's_Pet_Human]

Ill stick with plain kibble until his bowels return to normal... what were you saying about carrots? Were you saying they go in and come out basically undigested? I've been giving baby carrots as snack upon the advice of my breeder.

[carmspack]

exactly that , some of the pigment is stripped , but the carrot is pretty woody, and those are not baby carrots -- those are mishappen , crooked , weird shaped carrots that have no place in the groceries - so the ag business has come up with a turning device (like creating spindles out of 4 X 4's) which shaves the carrots into uniform cute finger food baby sized carrots. Problem is the closer you are to the surface the more nutrients you have so a lot of nutrition is stripped.

[Yoschi's_Pet_Human]

Originally Posted by carmspack

exactly that , some of the pigment is stripped , but the carrot is pretty woody, and those are not baby carrots -- those are mishappen , crooked , weird shaped carrots that have no place in the groceries - so the ag business has come up with a turning device (like creating spindles out of 4 X 4's) which shaves the carrots into uniform cute finger food baby sized carrots. Problem is the closer you are to the surface the more nutrients you have so a lot of nutrition is stripped.

Would adding carrot juice to his raw mix be a better idea?

[Chicagocanine]

Interestingly, oranges are only bad for male rats, not females. Just a random fact.

Also, d-limonene is used as a food additive so I do not think it is as dangerous as all that? I mean, unless you are a male rat.

[Galathiel]

I guess my question would be ... do dogs need ANY vegetables at all? Feeding raw don't you just give 80 percent meat, 10 percent organ (with at least 5 percent being liver) and 10 percent bone? I didn't think vegetables were actually necessary for a healthy diet for a dog.

I know sometimes they may be given as a treat (carrots for instance) or if your dog is on a 'diet' so they aren't as hungry .. but necessary?

[Yoschi's_Pet_Human]

Originally Posted by Chicagocanine

Interestingly, oranges are only bad for male rats, not females. Just a random fact.

Also, d-limonene is used as a food additive so I do not think it is as dangerous as all that? I mean, unless you are a male rat.

I read that as well... renal cancer,, in humans it actually is seen as a cancer preventative .... they sell candied orange peels... also the mass majority of bioflavanoids are in the skin... all that being said, after spending some time cleaning sour smelling diarrhea from Yoschi's crate and the $60.00 bed I threw away,, that was the last taste of orange peel he'll ever get.. lol

[carmspack]

where is this information from "Interestingly, oranges are only bad for male rats, not females. Just a random fact"

d-limonene is orange zest added to many of our drinks -- so dilution is a factor -- but orange peels as food for a dog is wrong

[Yoschi's_Pet_Human]

Originally Posted by carmspack

where is this information from "Interestingly, oranges are only bad for male rats, not females. Just a random fact"

d-limonene is orange zest added to many of our drinks -- so dilution is a factor -- but orange peels as food for a dog is wrong

I Limonene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Under the safety section

[Chicagocanine]

Originally Posted by carmspack

where is this information from "Interestingly, oranges are only bad for male rats, not females. Just a random fact"

d-limonene is orange zest added to many of our drinks -- so dilution is a factor -- but orange peels as food for a dog is wrong

Well, I didn't actually have a source, just info I picked up since I owned pet rats for many years... You can feed oranges to female rats, but not males. D-limonene is found in orange juice as well and in other natural food sources.

Here is a site that talks about this though:
Rat & Mouse Gazette: Medical Corner: Orange Juice, D-Limonene, and Cancer in Male Rats

[doggiedad]

i bet you can find a better choice of supplements than GNC.
why not something natural, organic?